There is a guy who breeds in California bigger than show lines 12 gen removed from show lines he has been breeding for hunting hogs and gundogs his males can be 27inchs 85LB born & raised outside in communal pens. This guy sounds like a good breeder they are not pampered pets or too aggressive he breeds them to work. http://www.huntingairedales.com/huntingcompanions.htm http://www.huntingairedales.com/ http://www.gundogbreeders.com/breeders-california/high-country-airedales.html