[quote=elnegro]if you try to compare borboel vs presa canario,you will see what i mean!!Presa Canario is a very tuff dog maybe the tuffest breed,sometimes really dangerous because he is very dominate.Most of dogmen believes that the true Presa Canario is the best self-defence breed in the world! That's my opinion of course! :wink:[/quote] no doubt i believe you that presa are tough dogs, but there are many tough dogs. there are tough LGDs which fight wild predators, there are tough large game hunters which hunt dangerous game.... you said if i try to compare boerboel vs presa i will see what you mean, so in which szenario shall i compare them, because there are different tasks where a dog can show how tough it is. shall i only compare their ability as personal protection dog or also their ability to fight another dog that is a good fighter (dog on dog combat) and their ability to fight an wild predator. so to really compare them i would need to have material in all three different tasks of both of them. i have videos of both of them when it comes to the firts two mentioned things, but we should do that on pm. so maybe we can exchange some stuff. :wink: