[quote1299037982=davidfitness83] nice Bullies, you know that prong collar is on wrong right? [/quote1299037982] how is the prong collar wrong? too loose? thanks for liking the pics, my fav is the first one i posted. yes its in the california desert. that was an all day hike, we hike for about 5 hours. luckily we hiked along a stream so theres plenty of water for my dogs most of the trip. as for platz, the guy was very knowledgeable i agree with that. being knowledgeable doesn't give you the right to act the way he did.