[quote1331777115=Tonedog] killed and ate countless critters, but would quickly get the message if you told him to not attack chickens or cows or whatever, and wouldn't need telling twice. [/quote1331777115] Yeah, the thing is, that dog doesn't get the message - ever! If she decides that she wants to kill something, nothing can convince her otherwise. She does what SHE thinks is right; very difficult dog to own in that regard. Also, she spent the first 3 years or so in civilization, didn't get imprinted on a life with livestock (I would SOO like to showcase her to Coppinger, who believes that it's more or less all just right upbringing and imprinting). From day one in rural Montana, she totally got it. Sometimes she would "gobble" small ducklings or chicks down her mouth, so when I attempted to get em out, they were completely soaked but unharmed (physically, not sure about psychological damages). She "gets" the concept of livestock, she also gets that other animals don't belong there - other than as a source of protein.