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gsicard i saw that documentary . Designer Dogs . Caucasion Ovcharka is very loyal to his family members but will not hesitate to strike if he see any danger . Ovcharka indeed one of the bravest dog i have ever seen . Its in Ovcharka blood , they doesnt need no training for protection . They are one of the finest guard dogs you can find in today's world . There are many variation of Ovcharka . If you go to North Pakistan and Afghanistan you will Ovcharka type dog called Koochees or Palegies . These dogs in Afghanistan are often used in dogFighting . Now this is tricky . Im sorry for what im gonna right ..plz forgive me . but i think its my duty to give info about this dog . lot of times these dogs compete against local dogs (bull-breeds ) . For this dog lot of people only use bear-fighting dogs because for one reason . bear-fighting dogs are trained to fight against bears and they only attack on bear nose . because this is the only part of bear which doesnt have thick skin . i have seen koochees in Quetta beating gull terriers , even sindhi bully kutta because of one thing . Koochees ( all the ovcharka type dogs ) contains to thick skin with heavy hairy coat . it gives them full of protection when they are fighting with other dogs . Thats why in Pakistan when-ever there is koochee fight against Gull Terriers or any other bull-breed first they trained their gull terrs etc and often they use bear-baiter gull terrs or bully kutta's . Bear fighting dogs are the only dogs i have seen beating Ovcharkas because they only attack on koochees nose . Otherwise if you put any non-nose trained fighting dog against koochees or ovcharka that dog is in big big trouble . You may found Mix results . Overall i really like Ovcharka's .
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    • Designer Dogs The unflattering documentary which featured a spot on the Caucasian "Mountain Dog" will be aired again on National Geographic Channel on Sunday - 28 June 2004 at 20:00 EST/PST (8:00 PM). Check your respective TV program provider to find the channel in your area. This Documentary does not reflect the views and behavior of most of the Caucasians but rather the opinions and position of one breeder. Please keep an open mind when you see it. After you have seen it I would like you to share your opinion on the story with us. I have uploaded a digital version and you can view it [url=http://molosserdogs.com/myfiles/video/NGCO_0002.wmv]here[/url].
      • oops.. you are righ.. it is Sunday (today). It also airs Sunday, June 27 11:00 PM (23:00) Monday, June 28 8: PM (20:00) Saturday, July 3 11:00 PM (23:00) Sorry about the mixup.
        • gsicard i saw that documentary . Designer Dogs . Caucasion Ovcharka is very loyal to his family members but will not hesitate to strike if he see any danger . Ovcharka indeed one of the bravest dog i have ever seen . Its in Ovcharka blood , they doesnt need no training for protection . They are one of the finest guard dogs you can find in today's world . There are many variation of Ovcharka . If you go to North Pakistan and Afghanistan you will Ovcharka type dog called Koochees or Palegies . These dogs in Afghanistan are often used in dogFighting . Now this is tricky . Im sorry for what im gonna right ..plz forgive me . but i think its my duty to give info about this dog . lot of times these dogs compete against local dogs (bull-breeds ) . For this dog lot of people only use bear-fighting dogs because for one reason . bear-fighting dogs are trained to fight against bears and they only attack on bear nose . because this is the only part of bear which doesnt have thick skin . i have seen koochees in Quetta beating gull terriers , even sindhi bully kutta because of one thing . Koochees ( all the ovcharka type dogs ) contains to thick skin with heavy hairy coat . it gives them full of protection when they are fighting with other dogs . Thats why in Pakistan when-ever there is koochee fight against Gull Terriers or any other bull-breed first they trained their gull terrs etc and often they use bear-baiter gull terrs or bully kutta's . Bear fighting dogs are the only dogs i have seen beating Ovcharkas because they only attack on koochees nose . Otherwise if you put any non-nose trained fighting dog against koochees or ovcharka that dog is in big big trouble . You may found Mix results . Overall i really like Ovcharka's .
          • For those who have not seen the documentary in question I have uploaded a digital version and you can view it [url=http://molosserdogs.com/myfiles/video/NGCO_0002.wmv]here[/url]. Broadband connection is recommended because the size is 8 MB. I have a higher resolution version that can be made available to those with very high speed internet connections. Just let me know.
            • Thank you Gary I actually been looking for this video. Missed it on TV. It just shows you that anything can be shown in a bad light. Some suspence music and hand picked scenes taken out of context .... and you get the evil, killer dog.
              • Yes, Thanks a lot Gary! I've been wanting to see this again since I got Dasha. :) :) :)
                • That was nice Gary, There are no CO that I have seen or heard of in my country. So this was the first time I see a CO in movement. :D Its just huge and amazing. Are they really hard to discipline? I see that the guy there has no control over the dog. Is it because he is soft? :? Or is it that the CO is always boss? 8O Anyway that is a keeper video! :wink:
                  • suck on satan's scaly cockschnitzel. this site is tarded.
                    • You can take any breed and find one bad owner and bad breeder and you have a vicious dog. Whats the fun ib showing good owners ... ? :wink:
                      • Thanks Gary. And Wolf i think you are right about your opinion that it is not a very positive way to show the breed.Maby they wanted to use it as a warning for people.Here in Holland we do that diffrent.They show the breed SRO in just a way that everybody wanted the breed.I think that is foolisch too.Why showing a breed(not famous) so that people want it and you know that that will be most of the time desastreus. :?: Same show on tv how very sweet little monkeys are and say very loud do not take them but show in your movie diffrent.I really do not get that.
                        • I rarely reply Desiree, but there is a huge difference between controling a breed that is known not to be easy or breeding for milder temperaments. The truth is these breeds are not for everybody, that is probably the reason, that inspite of their controled behaviour on shows, the number of SROs did not grow in the Netherlands the past years. One or two representatives of a breed does not make a breed. Hieke owned by a SRO and CAO
                          • No ,I know but i think that not all dogs must be promoted trhat way.Because we talk now about special breeds,breeds not for everybody.People can make a movie how good and great they are and people can make the opesite well with these breeds i think we must not promot them .People who wants them can find them anyway but people who do not even know the breed well fine let it that way :D
                            • And so Hieke i am glad that it is not growing in Holland.
                              • Unfortunately most people purchase a breed without doing much research. My experience is that people who focuss on a certain breed do not want to listen to the less positive features, or prefer to ignore it, or think they can manage. Each year we have to deal with people who cannot/no longer handle their LGD, sometimes we replace it in an experienced home, sometimes we have to advice it's better to put the dog down. I agree that there is a lot of nonsense written on websites, but there are also plenty of websites with honest information, it doesn't matter, people usually only read what is convenient and leave the rest for what it is. Hieke
                                • The reason that these breeds, Ovcharkas I mean, are not increasing in numbers is because we only have one SRO breeder, a very responsible one. Many people do not want to import, too much hassle, preferable they want to buy one that is bred next doors. But what about the pedigreeless ones, right now there is trend that puppymillers/brokers buy complete CO litters in former USSR countries for little money and sell them in Belgium and the Netherlands as cudly bears, who can resist...... The number of COs is much higher then what is registered with our Kennelclub. Most people do not have a clue what they purchased untill it is too late. The Anatolian/Kangal is a true runner at this moment, some of these dogs switch owners each month. This breed is hardly advertised in our country, but brought back from holidays in Turkey.
                                  • Yes,I see the kangal also more often.The turkisch people in holland bring them also with them.
                                    • I know nothing of the co besides they are large dogs that look like grizzly bears.I remember seeing the t.v show desinger dogs and thinking that these dogs were amazingly athletic for there size and very impressive dogs,and very very large.It was impressive to see a giant of the dog world jump 3 feet in the air when the dogs were in the kennels.. I dont believe its the best idea for the breeder to advertise the dogs as having the knockdown power of a 45>magnum even if they do,imagine what kind of drama that would cause if it were a apbt or presa breeder..The guy who couldnt control the 180 pd co was a joke ,if you cant control your dog you probably have the wrong breed for you...
                                      • [quote=cane76]It was impressive to see a giant of the dog world jump 3 feet in the air when the dogs were in the kennels.. [/quote] I've heard of a perticular CO that can jump a 6" fence. :wink: [blockquote] ,imagine what kind of drama that would cause if it were a apbt or presa breeder..The guy who couldnt control the 180 pd co was a joke ,if you cant control your dog you probably have the wrong breed for you...[/blockquote] You got it! I've seen pictures and comments about Pitts that cause a huge uproar, and then the same comments or pictures about a CO or the like and it's perfectly acceptable :? I don't know, but I think the guy got the dog worked up for the camera. With a little footage and a good editor, you can make ANY statement you want. If he truly can't control the dog, then well....
                                        • [quote=Igmuska]then the same comments or pictures about a CO or the like and it's perfectly acceptable :? [/quote] That's because CO's are CUTE and FLUFFY!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: [blockquote]I don't know, but I think the guy got the dog worked up for the camera. With a little footage and a good editor, you can make ANY statement you want. If he truly can't control the dog, then well....[/blockquote] Possibly, but who knows the real story. It doesn't help that the editing job, as pointed out, makes them seem totally uncontrolable anyway. :? That the guy mentioned he had previously owned GSDs, Rotts, Dobies, etc. One thing to note here is that just because he has owned them doesn't necessarily mean he was able to control[ them.
                                          • Thanks for putting the video up. It was very nice to see how large and powerful the CO is after only seeing pictures. I've only heard negatives regarding Tamara but though I disagree with the program using one breeder only, the emphasis on the need for socialsing was good right? The guy who owned Nikolai shouldn't own Nikolai! And goodpoint whoever said just because he owned those previous breeds, doesn't mean he could control them.
                                            • Thanks for the vid Gary, I didn't take much notice of the crap they were dribbling but the dogs were great, could you please post the link to the higher quality version?
                                              • I'll have to do that when I get home since it is on my main computer. Will upload it in early July and post about it. Thanks for asking.
                                                • I just wanted to bring this thread to peoples attention again. Everyone, check out the video, if you haven't done it yet. :) Personally, I liked the video a lot, ignored most of the talking though. (TV has a tendency to twist things out of context and into obscurity.) What really impressed me was the dynamic range of CO's; that's always nice to see in big dogs. As for the guy owning Nikolai, he indeed "serves as a warning to others". Eastern LGD's aren't dogs for beginners. Regards, Dan
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