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Dogo Canario / Presa Canario
this is the constant presa community argument...in a nutshell...presa canario people will say that the dogo is the non working/functional lines... sort of like jdj style ab vs scott type ab...just as an example :wink:
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    • W
      I wanted to know if the Dogo Canario and Presa Canario are 2 different breeds? If so can some one please explain the difference as to temperments and health
      • this is the constant presa community argument...in a nutshell...presa canario people will say that the dogo is the non working/functional lines... sort of like jdj style ab vs scott type ab...just as an example :wink:

        • G
          The only difference in the names are as follows Presa Canario = UKC Registry Dogo Canario = FCI Registry I know more Dogos that do working stuff then Presa if you want to say that. Red Star Kennels to El Presa they are consider Dogo Breeders Oak Leaf Ranch to El Presa they are consider Dogo Breeders I have yet to hear of any of the so called Presa Breeders have the titles these two kennels alone have. I myself weight pull and am training my Presas in schutzhund but I have been called a Dogo Breeder by them as well. They do not even do anything in the UKC world but bitch about what we do in it. You call it what you like but they all come from the same history Deb

          • W
            Oh I see. Im looking for a Presa/Dogo Canario pup so I was wondering. Are they pretty healthy dogs?
            • Deb, On your UKC papers, what do they say? Presa Canario or Dogo Canario?

              • G
                [quote=senor]Deb, On your UKC papers, what do they say? Presa Canario or Dogo Canario?[/quote] Senor On UKC papers it states Perro De Presa Canario All my dogs are listed under UKC as Presa Canario Deb

                • W
                  I was wondering if anyone has heard of RockyMountain Presas they are from Utah

                  • P
                    Presa=Dogo- same breed. Spanish line dogs will carry FCI papers that call them Dogo's in the rest of the world, although they can alsoe be registered with UKC. You cannot do it the other way around without specific approval. We know Ruth (Rocky Mountain) a bit- mostly through conversations online, never being able to meet in person yet. However, with that being said, we haven't actually "seen" Ruthie around in at least a year, so I'm not sure what they're even doing in the breed right now. Ruth has always seemed nice and well intentioned, and they do check their (few) dogs hips. As far as health problems in the breed..hip dysplasia/DJD (big problem), elbow dysplasia, luxating patellas, entropian, D. Mange, Seizures...to name a few things that have popped up in the breed. There are not exact numbers yet about how often any of these things occur int he breed, but the big one is Hip Dysplasia- so make sure you examine any contract carefully...
                    • Perro de Presa Canario refers to the modern Perro de Presa Canario as a breed of dog that originated in the Canary Islands, mainly near Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. The Perro de Presa Canario must be result of crossings of Majorero Cattle dog, "Presas" from the Islands and various Mastiffs and Bulldogs during the reconstruction period on the Canary Islands. The Perro de Presa Canario was recognized as a breed in 1989 by the RSCE and got its first "official" standard . More recently the Perro de Presa Canario was recognized by the UKC in its traditional name, coat colors and patterns. Perro de Presa Canario literally means "The Canary gripping dog" The Perro de Presa Canario is a working breed and is bred to maintain those characteristics. The word "Presa" means to clutch,hold or grip.they were called "Presas" because of what they did, not what they looked like. Men who bred these dogs for the task were referred to as "Preseros". While the Perro de Presa Canario must have blood of the Majorero in its genes it is not a requirement for the Dogo Canario.The FCI ( European Kennel Club) recognized the Presa Canario as the Dogo Canario in 2001 and changed the name and historic standard. Very few breeders in the Canary Islands ,outside the club( CEDC) have accepted the name change or standard modifications. Some Dogo Canario breeders insist the Presa Canario and the Dogo Canario are the same breed. It is to their advantage to claim their dogs have all the working attributes and temperment of the Presa Canario. This is not true. ps.There are still old "Preseros" breeding their old lines of holding dogs known as "Presas"
                      • ill bet u my so called dogo out works your so called presa any day of the week
                        • can you please explain me what you mean?

                          • P
                            Just my opinion: There are presa's that are dogo's and there are dogo's that are presa's! I believe there are true DOGO's, that are a seperate breed from Presa's in general, Im talkin about these dogs that produce nothing but 19 inch 150lbs bow-legged dogs and try to past them off. According to standard is all I have to go off, and bow-legged is not in the standard. Many people will say DOGO's dont work, were bred for the show ring, no type regard for health and things of that nature. I think I understand why people believe that and its because Presa's were originally bred to be weary of strangers, and the presa's have 22-25in standard for females but you can find 19inch dams all over the internet. I think thats what keeps this dogo/presa fire lit. Im prettty damn sure that the most PUREST presa has thrown midget pups, but its a matter of breeding choices. DOGO/PRESA is not a slap to the face of any dog but I would rather say its to seperate PEOPLE that really want to help the breed or just make money for the breed. I think the debate is overrated and just misunderstood because people never talk things out, where voices can be heard. Its really easy to misunderstand or take the wrong way someones written message. But now that the midgets are called DOGO's to some, what do we call these huge Monstrosities of dogs being called presa's? 160lbs, 180lbs, 200lbs + dogs that are 29, 30 inches still bearing the presa name with disqaulifyin coats, and eye colors and more. I wish some real reps from each "groupo" can get together and come to common grounds because with these two groups, we are leaving a big gap for these BYB's to come in and sell crap and call them either! HAVE A NICE DAY!
                            • [quote=elnegro]Perro de Presa Canario refers to the modern Perro de Presa Canario as a breed of dog that originated in the Canary Islands, mainly near Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. The Perro de Presa Canario must be result of crossings of Majorero Cattle dog, "Presas" from the Islands and various Mastiffs and Bulldogs during the reconstruction period on the Canary Islands. The Perro de Presa Canario was recognized as a breed in 1989 by the RSCE and got its first "official" standard . More recently the Perro de Presa Canario was recognized by the UKC in its traditional name, coat colors and patterns. Perro de Presa Canario literally means "The Canary gripping dog" The Perro de Presa Canario is a working breed and is bred to maintain those characteristics. The word "Presa" means to clutch,hold or grip.they were called "Presas" because of what they did, not what they looked like. Men who bred these dogs for the task were referred to as "Preseros". While the Perro de Presa Canario must have blood of the Majorero in its genes it is not a requirement for the Dogo Canario.The FCI ( European Kennel Club) recognized the Presa Canario as the Dogo Canario in 2001 and changed the name and historic standard. Very few breeders in the Canary Islands ,outside the club( CEDC) have accepted the name change or standard modifications. Some Dogo Canario breeders insist the Presa Canario and the Dogo Canario are the same breed. It is to their advantage to claim their dogs have all the working attributes and temperment of the Presa Canario. This is not true. ps.There are still old "Preseros" breeding their old lines of holding dogs known as "Presas"[/quote] good infos

                              • P
                                What I love about this particular (copied) summary is the qualification of the Majorero blood... That's such a crock. You CANNOT genetically test these "presas" to see what their "majorero quotient" is, nor can you trace most "presas" back to the majorero influence because it occured CENTURIES ago. I know this because I HAVE TRIED. Except of course the few people that are still currently crossing it in. Of course those dogs are readily obvious... Also, the word "presero" has only been coined recently, to ascribe to a certain group of internet tough guy breeders on a certain message BBS, who push the presa as a separate breed, one more working minded, where being in standard type-wise is an insult. However, the few people I have heard of getting their dogs over here, have had trouble with them, either being too much to handle, or not enough. The old time term for presa fanciers is "aficianados" There have been attempts to find middle ground, but when one side wants to pigeonhole everyone with official FCI paperwork (i.e "Dogos") as show breeders, and ridicule efforts to produce dogs that not only work, but also are good representations of the standard, it's kind of hard....and it's a LOT easier to make money when you have an "original" or "Old world, unruined" breed :roll: Pitbull22- Like the post. You have good dogs and bad dogs in both breeds. Unfortunately this breed hasn't gotten tired enough of polarizing itself to the point that it will ruin itself.
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