Central asian ovcharka
Hi,
Better for you not to search for Dutch breeders, really bad dogs there.
Here are web adresses of few good kennels:
"Afi Kaidar", Novosibirsk - http://irkcao.narod.ru/p-afikaidar.htm
"Baltek Gairat" - http://baltek-gayrat.ru
"Baiburi Shandi, Moscow - http://www.bayburi.ru
"Dovlet", Sankt Peterburg - http://www.dovlet.ru
"Ak Nuker" - http://www.aknuker.megamir.ru/
"Kara Kelle" - http://www.karakelle.ru
And here you can see some interesting blood, mostly from Tadjikistan, kennel "Molodeckii Kurgan" - http://irkcao.narod.ru/p-mkurgan.htm
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Hi , Im looking for websites and breeders of the CAO, can anyone help me? Dutch sites or breeders would be great, but anything will be fine because im reading as much as i can about the breed. Thanks!
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Hi, Better for you not to search for Dutch breeders, really bad dogs there. Here are web adresses of few good kennels: "Afi Kaidar", Novosibirsk - http://irkcao.narod.ru/p-afikaidar.htm "Baltek Gairat" - http://baltek-gayrat.ru "Baiburi Shandi, Moscow - http://www.bayburi.ru "Dovlet", Sankt Peterburg - http://www.dovlet.ru "Ak Nuker" - http://www.aknuker.megamir.ru/ "Kara Kelle" - http://www.karakelle.ru And here you can see some interesting blood, mostly from Tadjikistan, kennel "Molodeckii Kurgan" - http://irkcao.narod.ru/p-mkurgan.htm -
Thank you.
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http://www.pamirhunde.com/home/home.html http://www.germania-cao.de/ The first one is to recommend to read if you really are interested. And this is unfortunately not in German, but to recommed - very informative: http://www.karanuker.com/frameindice.html
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Karanuker is the kennel that have some interesting dogs, Maciek is nice show example, but they have two great females, of a great lines, Ak Nuker Ukhta and Ak Nuker Hantau. Those first two links are not worthy of one single look.These are not CAOs, only mutts, that are led by this modern breeding, unfrotunately. My advice, if you want to see the real CAOs, of a great lines, take a look at those few kennels that I posted in my first post.All of that dogs are from famous bloodlines and also great dogs, with fantastic character (which is main thing when we`re talking about aziats (!!!)), and also can be good dogs for shows. Enjoy !
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Dear Zgebe, I personally do have three wonderful CAOs - and what I meant with the sites, was that these are very interesting sites. I do recommend to read pamirmhunde-site to anyone considering get a CAO. About the breeders on sites I gave, I do have nothing to say about - I am challengeable. I do not know them or their dogs, neither me or my dogs are not from German not even near.
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Meriam, all that you said is ok. But my point was that we need (especially nowdays) to represent only the true CAOs, I mean, only the best (in fenotype, also in character) examples of the breed.There are much web sites that are more interesting and proficient what is more important. So, because of that, I may sound rude in my previous post, but, be sure that there wasn`t some bad intention. What I want to say ? The point is, if we represent the examples like those from that Dutch web sites, especially to someone who is "new" in the CAO story, we can misrepresent and degradate that breed as well. The whole thing is in that we need to show the beginners in start the true examples.After all,that is the case with all other breeds. No hard feelings, at all. :)
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Hi' Zgebe, I read somewhere that the CAO would be the most popular breed in Russia - which is quite difficult to realise when you are looking for information of the breed. In particular impartial information is almost impossible to find if you do not know Russian. And to other hand the popularity of the breed in Russia makes it to "a-good-business" for puppy-mills. And again there is again the question of the language, the lack of knowledge of the breed, "easy-made-money".... You see the picture. I am not a breeder, not even interested of dog-breeding. I only do hope that people would be a bit aware what kind of dog they are thinking of before they bring it home. My three dogs are good examples of credulous puppy-buyers who did not realise what they got. This breed is not suitable to anyone and anywhere in the western-world. In other words, I really do wish that the beginner of this topic will read everything she/he finds about this breed - and really do consider own capacity to maintain this kind of dog.... For her/his own and the dogs sake.
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[quote=Meriam]Hi' Zgebe, I read somewhere that the CAO would be the most popular breed in Russia - which is quite difficult to realise when you are looking for information of the breed. In particular impartial information is almost impossible to find if you do not know Russian. And to other hand the popularity of the breed in Russia makes it to "a-good-business" for puppy-mills. And again there is again the question of the language, the lack of knowledge of the breed, "easy-made-money".... You see the picture. I am not a breeder, not even interested of dog-breeding. I only do hope that people would be a bit aware what kind of dog they are thinking of before they bring it home. My three dogs are good examples of credulous puppy-buyers who did not realise what they got. This breed is not suitable to anyone and anywhere in the western-world. In other words, I really do wish that the beginner of this topic will read everything she/he finds about this breed - and really do consider own capacity to maintain this kind of dog.... For her/his own and the dogs sake.[/quote] Did you mean to say not suitable for everyone and everywhere or that the breed is not suitable for anyone at all?
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The Akmenu Gele breeding ground: http://www.akmenugele.com A good friend visited there and gave a glowingly good report.
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Thank everyone for replies. I guess one of the first things im learning as i read websites until my eyes hurt, is that there is a lot of arguments between breeders and lovers of the breed. origin, relatives, history, etc what should i look for in a socalled ''good'' breeder and what is a ''good'' CAO in compare with not so good ones. how do i find out. When i would seriously go ''shop around'' where do i find the big, calm, impressive dogs i found in some youtube clips and pictures. thanks again for the discussion, im learning alot alex
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Oh dear, I meant everyone - not anyone. :)
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Clear and concise breed info: http://www.alabai.com.au
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FYI Zgebe....there are no CAO breeders in the Netherlands....there are poor imports...true.....imports which you can find all over the world....simply because people don't have a clue about the breed and take anything for granted.. I am from the Netherlands, being breed representative for the Dutch club for many years, travelled to Russia several times,....have seen thousands of CAOs, talked to many breeders, CAO friends and specialists....published and took an enormous amount of pictures the past 10 years...I know what I am talking about.....I have been visiting some of the kennels you mentioned.....just one question...have you ever been there? Kind regards, Hieke Dijkstra
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Hello Hieke, It is good that you posted on this topic. I trust your knowledge of the CAO and hope the starter of this topic finds the info they are looking for. -
Hi Hieke, I have seen that you have a lot of expirience and I have seen some of your photos, and I respect all of that, a lot ! I haven`t seen that kennels (unfortunately), but my very close friends (who are deeply in the CAO story) have seen it, and they have only the good words for that kennels. All the best, Jelena
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Thanks for the welcome. What I tried to say is, not every litter contains champions (true type is rare and not very showy either)....not every combination is succesful......even the best kennels have to deal with minor quality......point is, you won't find these dogs on their websites.....:-) What bothers me is that minor quality sometimes sets the standard for a whole country....another thing is.....people don't have patience....they want a breed and preferable delivered the next day.....that doesn't work either....it takes loads of time finding one that takes your breath away.....:-) Enjoy your day, Hieke
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hi hieke, and thanks for the replie. i will certainly take my time and try to find out more about the CAO. Groeten, Alex
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Good luck!
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This is a test, I'll write something else. Something else. :)
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So Maria, It appears that you can post on here now.
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Oh no Gary, that is not at all so easy! I mailed to you about it - as mentioned, I am not able to write the original message! So here must be some kind of censorship. Do read my latest mail about it, please! Kind regards, Maria
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I will try once again to submit an opinion. Fingers crossed. I have met plenty of sad examples of dogs, imported from Russia, by persons who have not really known what they have got in to. As said, it is all too good business for some breeders. And every breeder naturally claims to know the breed better than anyone else, and naturally do have the best dogs also. That is why I do recommend to read everything written about the breed beforehand and to meet several dog owners than one breeder. All too many young and healthy dogs ends to the nearest veterinary clinic before they reach maturity. Not to mention the health question. Did you know that for example the screening of hips is not common in Russia. Unfortunately this is a huge risk for a small population of a rare breed in other countries. By all means, I do not say that importing is wrong, quite contrary, by importing we do get new and necessary genes! What I am saying, is that as a buyer, be aware about the risks and get impartial information as much as possible.
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thanks all.
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As a general comment, attitude of the buyer is very important to me. I don't sell to anyone who approaches me as breeder as if I am the adversary. Nor do I approach Russian breeders as an adversary or even warily when buying dogs for myself. I assume the breeder will do the very best job they can for me, and they in fact do so. How about that. :wink:
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anyone know this breeder ? Is it a good one? what about his dogs? looks and temperament? thanks
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sorry, I mean this one: www.ukovcharkas.com
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no one can help me?
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i know i didnt start this topic, but it has been very helpful too me... thanks
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