Comparison between CO and Tsang Khyi

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Friends, I am new to the Caucasian Ovcharka fan club but nevertheless have been a molosser fan since long. I have always been interested in gaurd dogs of supreme ability and know that the CO is not for the first time owner. I am currently the proud owner of a Bhotia Mastiff more broadly called the Do Khyi.As many may know it is a variant of the Tibetan Mastiff although have learnt that a pure Tibetan mastiff is very difficult to find, perhaps only in China and Tibet. I would be interested in having a gaurd dog in the near future and wish to start researching gaurd dogs well in advance. This brings me to contrast the majestic Tsang Khyi and the Caucasian Ovcharka. Although I have read ( on this website) that the CO is the supreme gaurd dog with superb territorial instincts , is it actually superior to the Tsang Khyi in all aspects? Although I know both breeds are fairly dog aggresive, which breed would you think is more aggresive than the other? Since both are primitive in nature, which breed would you think is more trainable than the other? ( atleast to a certain extent keeping in mind their historical splendors?) Generally speaking which would be stronger than the other ( although I know that it kindof depends on the bloodlines also and the fact that in the CO there are 4 kinds of varieties depending on regional variations) To give you all a clear picture I think I should justify the kind of dogs that I like or would be more likely to invest in the future? I have been fascinated by the dogs bred by the Sundari kennel ( breeder Jarmila Bendova who has some good Taiwanese bloodlines) and she is looking to recreate the mythical molossus of Tibet along with a handful of truly dedicated breeders in Europe in the near future). As far as CO goes, I have been fascinated by some dogs of the Petlove kennel ( in particular there is one dog who weighs 92 kg - http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caucasianowtcharka.html breeder TA Yagodigna) and of course Boyavoy of Dikaya Staya kennel who also seems to be a huge animal. Elsewhere I noticed a CO in Ukraine who tips the scale at 127 kg....) I wish to know if these are cases where form precedes functionality or is size simply some kind of genetic ploy to increase the 'marketability' of the breed by unscrupulous breeders? I would be grateful if members can enlighten and join me in contrasting these two giant gaurdians ( if at all) from an unbiased point of view. Any information regarding the above issues would be welcome. Best wishes, Vidya :)

Hai. You are talking about co very dogagressive .My co isnt dogagressive at all.He is dominat butnot agressive my co is much more humen agressive than dogagressive.

Asking which breed is more "dog aggressive" and which is "stronger". What are you getting at Vidya? And for what purpose?

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Friends, dont get me wrong at all! Perhaps in raisng the issue of dog aggression and strength, I gave my friends the wrong idea but it is not really so. The place where I stay is quite isolated and there are a lot of stray dogs in the area. And as a guard dog my Bhotia has proved invaluable. I am looking to add a new member to our family and I would not want the dogs to get into any kind of trouble. Hence I want to research issues of alpha dominance amidst others. Hence I raised the issue of dog aggression. I know for a fact that my Bhotia is very tolerant of other dogs and even if I introduce a new pup into my family he would accept it but would the new breed do so? Also I must mention that though I laways keep my Bhotia on the leash every time I take him out, there are stray dogs that try to lunge at him and to be very frank he never starts a fight but there have been stray cases where he has got into one and I wouldn't ever want this to happen in the near future. Since the Bhotia is a sub variant of the Tibetan mastiff and has proved his worth as a gaurd dog for me, I cannot imagine life without any other molosser. ( my dog is 14 years old). If I were to introduce a new pup to him, I would need to research issues of dominance and their relation to the environment. Members must remember that I am from India where there are no strict laws as regards animal rescue and hence there are stray dogs that do roam around. Although I have the highest empathy for them, sometimes they do cause some trouble especially when you are out with your own dog, in which case one must exercise high caution for they tend to bark incessantly and try to lunge at you from behind. I take my Bhotia out especially early in the mornings as he enjoys a long walk and the rest of the time, he is out in our small yard. Now one can just imagine a situation when I am taking both of my dogs out for a walk and the havoc the stray dogs create when they see a new member. So friends please let me clear my stance once again.I am looking to add a new member to my family in the near future but need to research issues of acceptability with my current dog, the stray dog issue as well as a dog possessing supreme gaurdian ability. My fascination with the Tsang Khyi is an extrapolation of my love for my Bhotia Mastiff ( however he was advertised as a pure Tibetan mastiff which I later found he is not....not that it has diminished my love for him in any way but I guess genuine breeders who really want to serve and improve the breed are hard to find..as of this point in time there are no good breeders for this breed of dog in Mumbai, India..he was a rare find from the Garhwal mmountains).....I recently chanced chanced upon the CO but got mixed opinions hence wanted to take a first hand hard look at all the information about him( not to mention media projection by a well known channel...) His ability as a gaurd dog was stated to be second to none but also heard and read that has been used in the past in fighting tournaments in the past ( that catapulted me into pulling the bloodline issue) and his overall aggression particularly dog aggression. I wouldnt want anything to go wrong in my absence or my folks in case they are left together for a while.( Given the fact that my current dog is old). So in summary thought would clarify these from members which hopefully portray nothing but the truth from their experiences.Sincere apologies if I gave anybody about any wrong ideas about the despicable practise of dog fighting! I am a supreme animal lover but unfortunately a breeds history cannot be overlooked particularly so when he/she is going to share his/her life with your family for the next sizeable chunk of years. Best wishes, Vidya

I didnt took it the wrong way :D Just wanted to let you know that my dog is more humen agressive than dog agressive. Good luck with your search.

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Desiree, thanks for understanding and thank you for your kind inputs on the CO. I guess I have a long way to go as regards this wonderful working legend. Best , Vidya

Well my co is almost 2 years.He is very very social with dogs.We walk in the parc and meet almost 40 dog every week and he is never agressive.He is dominant but when a dog attack him he just push him the other way and most of the time the other dog feels that he is a pritty though guy.He doesnt fight for himself but when my chi is with me and a dog wants to go after her he growls and step between and i guess when the dog keeps doing it he will attack him )never heppend because most of the time his attitude says enough. He is friendly towards kids and even men can pet him in the parc when he is without a leash and is free to go.Walking in my neighbourhoud he is protective and men can not come close )but i dont want them to come close either'.Same in my car when people come close in the dark he stare and growls and will not let you in but well that is one of his duties :D When there is anger or agressive behaviour from people than you have a problem because than he is very agressive protective. I can introduce you in my house but he will always watching you.Stare at you and doesnt realy accept you.And when you come in i have to put my chihuahua away because he react very strong when she barks alarm. http://security-dog.org/gold-star/kennel_dr/inar/inar.html My great friend who turns out in a wonderful dog :D :D

[quote=vidya]I guess I have a long way to go as regards this wonderful working legend. [/quote] CO is dog dominant yes but most of them in my experience are not insanely dog aggressive. Either breed you are interested in or any of the flockguardian breeds will be enough to fend off stray dogs in the wilds of Indiana, but frankly, I don't allow my dogs to lunge at any dogs off property, stray or not, and if ravaging stray dogs were that much a problem on walks I'd arm myself with some spray and a walking stick and call animal control for a roundup when I returned home. Large powerful dog breeds may not be suitable for novices, but many COs in fact do well with owners with limited experience who exercise good common sense and avail themselves of training resources. My parents are 80 years old this year and are successfully raising a young, large, and very spirited female from import sire & dam, by attending weekly dog training classes wth puppy. Ownership may at times be challenging, but it isn't equivalent to a rocket launch, and I am weary of only reading about their alleged aggressiveness and not more about their other wonderful characteristics, such as their gentle nature with and devotion to family. Caucasians are superdogs to many of us who fancy them but in the end, they are in fact just dogs. Don't get too caught up in the internet hype. Best to turn off the computer and see dogs in person.

[quote=desiree] http://security-dog.org/gold-star/kennel_dr/inar/inar.html My great friend who turns out in a wonderful dog :D :D[/quote] Very nice Des, a pleasure to view this page.

Thank you Stacey :D Funny thing is that when you are smart and love mindgames a co is a wonderful dog.Most of the time you winn when you think smart not with a hard hand.They are very funny and indeed very loving to the owner ) in my case'. I always red that they bond not very well ,well i have to say that my co bond much more and need more affection than every other german sheppard i owned.

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Hi Stacey and Desiree :D thank you for all the wondeful information. I am currently volunteering at an animal rescue shelter where I get first hand experience with handling many different kind of breeds. They have different levels of training wherein one learns how to walk dogs, how to socialize and rehabilitate them and canine behavorial training. It's proved a boon. I have started this well in advance so I would be better poised when I'm actually going to bring in my new members. ( I hope I never ever see a CO there). On another note, do you think a CO and a Tsang Khyi could get along together if raised as pups ( both being males) ? ( that would be a deadly pair of gaurdians) Stacey: a slight correction: Although my dog is in India, I am presently in Indiana(USA) ( hence the stray dog issue) and my folks are taking good care of the my Bhotia, I would hope to relocate to Europe in the near future, hence this research well in advance. Thank you for comments and understanding. It really goes a long way in shaping my thoughts about this magnificent animal. Best, Vidya :D

Hai vydia. Just my thoughts . I own a german sheppard 10 years old and they get along fine and outside they play.Inside my german sheppard choose to stay in the hall and not come in.did that even before Inar with another gsd who was in charge in my house.My german sheppard goes on his back when he knows he loose the fight.Inar fought with him and within 2 seconds he went on his back so issue solved.Inar like i said is very social with dogs so he doesnt terrorise him at all.by the way this was the only fight inar was into and it was in my house and my gsd started because he wnated to show he was in charge.Bad move.But to be anest i think when you have two males in there best years of life not neutered and almost same power you will have a problem and a huge problem one day. Most people keep the males seperated.Can be a small thing that put them on fire and it isnt easy to turn it off when these big guys are mad. I know german sheppard males can also fight very bad at the same age same house but they are less independant and i think it is a bit easier to get them seperated when they are fighting. I wouldnt take the chance.Unless your other boy isnt very dominant and surrender when needed like in my case. Good luck with your search.

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people breed weird dogs under the name 'tsang khyi'.. i dunno how authentic the term is.. however, having 2 male n dominant dog is a serious matter and you should monitor them well.. and about stray dogs, i have been with stray dogs and i have been interacting with them since my early childhood. whenever i used to go out to play, around 10-13 dogs would follow me. and i can assure you that when you are with your dog, no dog actually attacks your dog practically.. or even, under strange and rare circumstances, if you scare it away, it won;t trouble you again..