Eastern Asian Origin - hardly!

I don't believe that Eastern European working dogs originated in East Asia. If for nothing else, then that the Chinese culture seems to have a knack for exaggerating animal features to the absurd and grotesque, whatever they get their hands on: See a pattern? No judgement here, just saying that function doesn't seem to be a priority in Chinese breeding. Dan

Oh how novel, more German racism... This time featuring the Chinese. I wonder, if had my Grandfathers been more trigger happy in the 40's, would the world be a more tolerant place?

He's not from the US so why the comments toward the US? You have a lot of hate in you Andreas or whatever you claim to be.

[quote1316801352=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1316799751=BVLGARI] [quote1316780643=soldiermonkey] Oh how novel, more German racism... This time featuring the Chinese. I wonder, if had my Grandfathers been more trigger happy in the 40's, would the world be a more tolerant place? [/quote1316780643] There was no racism in his statement, he mentioned the very low rating of animals, especially dogs in China. You should be banned for such a racist comment against the dignity of man! I could lower myself to the same level and say I wonder how many iraki children would still be alive, if my forefathers had been more trigger happy in the 40ies, but I don't do it.Oh I forgot U had good intentions and only wanted to find mass-destruction-weapons LOL. P.S. U r totally right already in the 40ies the USA was free of racism and the most tolerant place, black americans had totally equal rights and were valued in your fine society. [/quote1316799751] no worries, about soldiermonkey, this guy cannot be taken seriously. just watch his latest avator, he obviously confuses a dog board with a gay board. :-p !special [/quote1316801352] This is a thread about a pattern of exaggerated features in animals, mainly to demonstrate that there seems to be a different breeding culture in Eastern Asia. No need to derail it by bragging who was tougher in WWII! (We all know that the toughest ones were the Yugoslav Partisans - lol, just kidding.) By the way ... Andreas, you [u]and[/u] BVLGARI both consistently spell avatar wrong. Interestingly enough, it isn't even spelled "avator" in German, so it's gotta be a unique typo to one person(s). Dan

though I used to keep goldfishes myself and Love pekingese n Shih tzus, I must agree that chinese have a different style of breeding and creating things.. from an artistic point of view, I must appreciate their unique creativity, but a lot of health concerns come along with their artistic adroitness since they are dealing with living animals, where form doesn't always follow the function. and not only that, they create something entirely different and tend to say that what they have created is how the OLD dogs which are NOW extinct were, whether there was any old dog or whether there was any type which has become extinct, but preserved by few chinese fanciers .. Although I don't agree with breeding TMs to such an extent as to make tibetans perceiving those dogs to be a long coated dog coming as an outcome of neapolitan mastiff x st bernard, I do acknowledge the fact that there are many breeders in China who breed good TMs, and I'd like to congratulate them..

The Chinese are not so stupid! They earn a lot of meters with skins, in this way!

[quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] p.s. by the way, where did i [u]consistently[/u] use the word avatar? [/quote1316803433] Actually, all over your posts in a variety of threads. I tend to notice those things, recurring typos, grammar, styles (i.e. "U r" instead of "You are"), canine preferences, opinions, aggression levels, sensitive buttons etc. I also assess those signs against their probability in occurance as well as uniqueness to an individual. Makes it easy to spot fake responses. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] concerning words and spelling, often people make the same mistakes. most people in german write "Schaaf" but it is "Schaf" [/quote1316803433] In Psychology, this is called "over-compensating" as in being overly-defensive. You could have simply dismissed it instead of giving me a lecture on probability of various misspellings. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1316802065=Astibus] By the way ... Andreas, you [u]and[/u] BVLGARI both consistently spell avatar wrong. Interestingly enough, it isn't even spelled "avator" in German, so it's gotta be a unique typo to one person(s). [/quote1316802065] yup and a few guys here write alway there when it is their and babigirl lately wrote "better then" although it has to be "better than" and the same unique type i have seen in a post from mike. [/quote1316803433] Yep, some are more unique than others. Consider "avator" as just one vector in a pattern of similarities. This was just my diplomatic and polite attempt to convey to you that nobody here believes that Jenny is real. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] what do you dan think about soldiermonkey´s comment here concerning the "killing more germans" stuff.[/quote1316803433] I think it's unnecessary and insulting. I always consider myself as an ambassador for Germany, even though I am originally from my beloved Balkans and only lived there during my school years. I try to convey the positive sides of modern German society and its rich culture, in an attempt to emphasize their virtues. I urge you to try doing the same. People will respond differently. Dan

[quote1316806043=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] haha mate, no need to give me lessons concerning psychology, as long as you don´t have the same profession as me, i know more about it for sure. i have written some post for BVLGARI and told her to rewrite them in here own words, this should explain a lot. [/quote1316806043] That was my whole point, to appeal to your profession's language so you can fully appreciate my argumentation. Andreas, jetzt mal ehrlich, schreibst Du an einer Doktorarbeit ueber Internet Trolling mittels falscher Identitaeten oder was fuer ein Psychologie-Experiment soll das hier sein? Kontroverse Beitraege von Jenni sind nur solange lustig. Ich wuerde gerne an Diskussionen teilnehmen mit normalen Personen, diese Spielchen sind langsam zunehmend doof. [quote1316806043=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1316805230=Astibus] I always consider myself as an ambassador for Germany, even though I am originally from my beloved Balkans and only lived there during my school years. I try to convey the positive sides of modern German society and its rich culture, in an attempt to emphasize their virtues. I urge you to try doing the same. People will respond differently. [/quote1316805230] i totally agree with you ... [/quote1316806043] Well, if you totally agree with me, then I will assume that from now on you will put an effort into bringing a positive light on Germans and German culture. Thanks, buddy. Dan

[quote1316807181=bright] though I used to keep goldfishes myself and Love pekingese n Shih tzus, I must agree that chinese have a different style of breeding and creating things.. from an artistic point of view, I must appreciate their unique creativity, but a lot of health concerns come along with their artistic adroitness since they are dealing with living animals, where form doesn't always follow the function. and not only that, they create something entirely different and tend to say that what they have created is how the OLD dogs which are NOW extinct were[/quote1316807181] Exactly! Just as you say, "from an artistic point of view" one must appreciate their unique creativity, if one ignores all the health concerns and functional impairments. Excellent contribution, Thanks! Dan

PUGNACES Verdammter idiot leid für Sie! Wer ist ein nationalist du oder ich!

[quote1316810322=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] hey und wenn du den balkan magst, dann ist das schön, aber ich bin mir sicher du bist genug "freidenker" und übernimmst nicht all diese schwachsinnigen, griechisch und serbisch romantisierte darstellungen, denen hier einige nationalisten verfallen sind [/quote1316810322] I totally understand the Balkan mentality, I can think like a German and can also follow the American rationale - all three equally well. One thing I know for sure is that oftentimes these three cultures/personalities aren't compatible with each other. Yet, miraculously I resort to only one username. ;) Dan

And as for the various Balkan flavors, they clearly aren't even compatible with themselves. LOL ... But their food is delicious and that tops politics. ;)

[quote1316811137=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK]i speak the truth, it goes back to british dogs.[/quote1316811137] Since we're getting all spiritual now, here's another one: "Always look on the bright side of life!" Now, British humor ... is the best! Hands down. Dan

[quote1316811727=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] you are one realname, no matter if you insult me or not. you want every dog to be greek or of greek origin. i am no nationalist, as i don´t say the German Mastiff fell from the sky in germany, i speak the truth, it goes back to british dogs. so the nationalist is you and not me! [/quote1316811727] I did not insult you! You repeat the same every time, with facts shall you come.

[quote1316829017=Astibus] [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] p.s. by the way, where did i [u]consistently[/u] use the word avatar? [/quote1316803433] Actually, all over your posts in a variety of threads. I tend to notice those things, recurring typos, grammar, styles (i.e. "U r" instead of "You are"), canine preferences, opinions, aggression levels, sensitive buttons etc. I also assess those signs against their probability in occurance as well as uniqueness to an individual. Makes it easy to spot fake responses. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] concerning words and spelling, often people make the same mistakes. most people in german write "Schaaf" but it is "Schaf" [/quote1316803433] In Psychology, this is called "over-compensating" as in being overly-defensive. You could have simply dismissed it instead of giving me a lecture on probability of various misspellings. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1316802065=Astibus] By the way ... Andreas, you [u]and[/u] BVLGARI both consistently spell avatar wrong. Interestingly enough, it isn't even spelled "avator" in German, so it's gotta be a unique typo to one person(s). [/quote1316802065] yup and a few guys here write alway there when it is their and babigirl lately wrote "better then" although it has to be "better than" and the same unique type i have seen in a post from mike. [/quote1316803433] Yep, some are more unique than others. Consider "avator" as just one vector in a pattern of similarities. This was just my diplomatic and polite attempt to convey to you that nobody here believes that Jenny is real. [quote1316803433=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] what do you dan think about soldiermonkey´s comment here concerning the "killing more germans" stuff.[/quote1316803433] I think it's unnecessary and insulting. I always consider myself as an ambassador for Germany, even though I am originally from my beloved Balkans and only lived there during my school years. I try to convey the positive sides of modern German society and its rich culture, in an attempt to emphasize their virtues. I urge you to try doing the same. People will respond differently. Dan [/quote1316829017] I agree, and I want to apologise unreservedly for my appalling comment. I let my anger at an individual, colour my judgment to an unaccpetable level. At least one of my Grandfathers would have dropped me like a sack of crap for those words. And I would have deserved it.

[quote1316835325=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] arun, can you show some real bakharwals from your region. i don´t believe in the TM story of being the ancestor of all western mastiffs and LGDs as well as fighting breeds, but i also have doubts about the balkan/molosser story. astibus lately said it was the other way round and shepherds have been brought from greece to india, so that greece dogs are the ancestors of gaddi kuttas/himalayan mastiffs. [/quote1316835325] well, I've posted a few pics of my friend's bakharwal puppy in the relevant section (tibetan mastiff).. I'll post more pics of other bakharwals soon.. and regarding the theory of molosser origin, you have said it clearly that only a specific type of dogs from a specific region must be called as 'molossers' so if we go strictly by that theory, molossers originate in the molossian region, developed by the molossian tribesmen.. so that part is clear. even 'if' they have an ancestor from a different region, be it central asia or Himalayan Mountains, by this theory, they cannot be called as molossers as they are something else. about the question of ancestors of the Molossian dogs , there are several schools of thought, and staunch adherents to each of them. each one subscribes to the theory which they deem is more likely to be true, and I respect each one's opinion and faith in the theories.. In my opinion, it would be far more productive if we concentrate and contemplate more on how these dogs are at present, and work towards meeting the challenges they face.. some dogs face terrible challenges from what I know.. I think tending to improving their status as they stand now is of greater importance than to stir things up and end up in a mess. :) at the end of the day, I congratulate all the fanciers of mastiff type dogs who have dedicated so much of their time in reading and studying about these great dogs..