Interested in getting a CO

[quote=Bahamian]that limitation is their fight first mentality. [/quote] Aside from the fact that you live in a warm/HOT climate, this, right here, is one MAJOR reason as to why you SHOULDN'T get a CO... ESPECAILLY one from working lines. They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions as well as HIGHLY dog aggressive. What are you planning on doing with the other 6 dogs you have? Maybe I read it wrong and you meant to say you've had 6 pits previously? Even so, I'd say that, if for no other reason than climate alone, you might want to check into Cane Corsos, Presas, Boerboels and a Filas instead of Caucasians.

Interested in getting a CO

[quote=Bahamian]that limitation is their fight first mentality. [/quote] Aside from the fact that you live in a warm/HOT climate, this, right here, is one MAJOR reason as to why you SHOULDN'T get a CO... ESPECAILLY one from working lines. They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions as well as HIGHLY dog aggressive. What are you planning on doing with the other 6 dogs you have? Maybe I read it wrong and you meant to say you've had 6 pits previously? Even so, I'd say that, if for no other reason than climate alone, you might want to check into Cane Corsos, Presas, Boerboels and a Filas instead of Caucasians.
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    • Hello and how are you doing? I am very interested in getting a Co in the future (hopefully in the not too distant future). I've been reaseraching about the breed for about a year now and I find them to be extremely interesting. What I like is that they are natural guard/protection dogs but what really impresses me is how fast and agile they are for their size. I want to get one to protect/guard my property and family. I've had pit bulls all my life (rite now six) to protect my place but although they keep all "unwanted" guest out and do a pretty decent job of protecting; they do have limitations. And that limitation is their fight first mentality. My two best guard dogs are two females but I could never keep them roaming the yard the same time because they would end up killing one another. I will be getting a new place soon and want a CO to guard it. My criteria for where I get my CO from are: It has to be reputable breeders The dog MUST come from working parents (not show parents) The parents must be genetically healthy I'm not too sure whats the difference between the Co and CAO but I like the really big ones that have the short muzzle that resemble a grizzly bear. I live in The Bahamas and it gets pretty warm here. The average annual temperature is 80 F but in the summer its regullary in the 90's (sometimes 95 or more). Can the CO handle this climate (take into consideration I'll keep it shave during these hot months)? Like I said I'm looking to get one in the future (hopefully next year sometime), so is there any where in N. America that has CO's that meet my criterias? I would like to get two eventually but I would like to start off with a male first. About how much would a male CO cost me including having it shipped to Florida (This is where I would go to get it to bring it to the Bahamas)? If there is anything else that you could posible tell me about CO's please feel free to. I'm always willing to learn more about this wonderfull breed. Thank you.
      • Xamen, I do still have the pits but I want the Co to protect a new property/building that I am getting. The Co WILL NOT be in the same place as the pits. I know I live in a hot climate that is why I said that I'll keep the Co shaved. Will this still be a problem? Thanks
        • [quote=Xamen13] They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions .[/quote] Can you please explain this to me. Thanks
          • Yup, for livestock guarding in tropical climate Kangal would probablly be a god choice, even some strains of CAO, but not CO. I mean if you already want to shave it (wich isn't good), then you might as well consider a shortcoated breed.
            • I understand what everyone is saying and now I am realizing that shaving their coat is not a good idea. I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places. Now I want this Co to be guardian of a big property in which there will be no contact with the other dogs. I understand their strong nature and that they are big dogs but I've been breeding, raising, training dogs etc for the past 18 years (mostly pit bulls and recently Yorkshire terriers). So I do know a bit about dogs however, I will admit that I have never dealt with a breed as big as this. But I am truely looking forward to it because I find Co's to be amazing. Like I've also stated, there are still some things that I need to learn about the breed that is why I am not interested in really trying to get one until next year.
              • [quote=Igmuska"][quote="Bahamian] I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places.[/quote] Have you seen CO breeders or owners in Palm Beach? Some of these places also have a winter climate, even if it is warmer. California does have slight frost in the winter and stays pretty mild in most areas (it's also a very large state with climates from hot desert to snow covered mountain ranges). The extremely hot areas are still no place for a CO. Most of the people who own these dogs in hotter climates in the US keep them as family companions and protectors, which usually means the dog does spend a lot of time indoors with air conditioning. If I remember correctly, the founder of this site gives all of his CO's acess to AC all summer, and he's in Virginia. Yes people in these climates have heavy coated dogs, but the risk of heat stroke is enormous. That's not a risk I would be willing to take. Like Aleksa said, try looking into a CAO of you are stuck on the "type". They often can handle a bigger range of temperatures and though are double coated, it is a shorter version.[/quote] There are Co owners not breeders in Florida. And like I said if they can handle the climate there I know they can handle it here bcause its a bit cooler because of the ocean breeze. Like I said, my island is exactly 60 mile east of west paalm beach Florida. Here is an example of my islands proximity to west palm beach: If "WPB" is west palm beach and "B" is The Bahamas in relation to it on a map, here is how close we are "WPB"-----------east ward (60 miles)--------- "I" So do you still think that this is a problem?
                • Hello everyone, I would just like to thank every one who responded to me maturely and intelligently. Sinec you know much more about this breed than I do, I respect everything that was said. As a result, I've come to the conclusion that a CO would not be suitable due to the warm climate in my country. However, I still think they are the ultimate breed. Is there any other breed that someone can suggest that would be an excellent guard/protection dog for me? I would love something that has the same (or close to the same) intangibles as a CO but that would be able to thrive in The Bahamas. Thank you.
                  • It is true that coat of CO is there to keep them isolated from sun too, but you just can not compare summers on Caucasus (or Norway) and on Bahamas. Summers on Caucasus can be very hot but don't forget that during summer nights temperature can be freezing, and that's not even close to place where our friend Bahamian lives, especially when you consider that there is almost no change in temperature during whole year, and there is very little difference in temperature during day and during the night. Not even to mention Caucasus winters, and CO is made for them.
                    • Xamen 13, I'm inthe most northern region of the Bahamas (I guesse lat 26). I agree that the summers here are alot different than the summers in Norway. And even though the yearly average temperature on my island is 80 deg. f; we do get as low as 40 degrees during our winters (believe it or not)! I have a question Xamen, property that I was hoping to put the CO on is HIGHLY shaded with ALOT of dense, tall trees. So the yard is FULL of cool shaded, breezy areas. So do you still think this will make it more feasable for me to have a CO?
                      • Aud Stockman, The Bahamas is an Island archipelego (made up of over 700 large islands and small cays). So the nearest beach from the inner most part of my island is ONLY about 7 minutes away (driving)! Now were I live at, the beach is only 7 minutes away (walking), so if I was to drive it will only take maybe 2 minutes!
                        • [quote]Because that will make the climate colder and better for the dog, even it's warm in the air. [..] here in Norway we can have summer from May and out August[/quote]OK, this is getting silly now. What you call a good summer in Norway, we often experience in winter here in Texas. Consider the summers here similar to ... a Sauna. :lol: Since I have been in both places, the Bahamas as well as Norway, you have to believe me that there is a world of difference between the Gulf region and Scandinavia! You WILL need A/C for a CO to live through the summer in a (sub-)tropical climate. Dan
                          • [blockquote]Compared to the Caribbean, Norway does not have summers, only two winters, one green, and one white [/blockquote]Bingo! :lol: Perfect comparison. :) Dan
                            • [quote=cindyba] Gary, what do you think, you have this experience also, would you keep CO's in for excample Jamaica? If so, do you think it would mean any special requirements, like aircondition etc.? [/quote] Hi Cindy, I have been staying out of this discussion because to a great extent it is a personal choice for the owner. Would I have a CO in Jamaica? Yes I would if I lived on a large plot of land with lots of trees and water around. I do live in Virginia and we get summer temps over 100 F during Jul - Sep. During that time I keep my dogs in an airconditioned shed where the temp is about 75 F. When they are outside they dig significantly large holes in the shade places and lay in the cool dirt. If you have a nice pristine yard - it will be destroyed. Now that I have COs - they are the dogs for me regardless of where I end up living.. so if I lived in Jamaica now I would take my dogs there and make it work. They would have AC and ample shade and water - of course they probably would not put on a winter coat :) For Bahamian - if you would not mind another breed then look at the CAO - These dogs are from Central Asia and in that area they also get temperature extremes. You would get a significantly high level of protection with less possibility of heat problems. Also, the other breedes suggested for you are worth consideration.
                              • Cindy, My Cleo is shorthaired but incindentally she has the thickest coat and sheds the most. Cleo is shortcoated, Julius is medium, Caeser and Shagi are long. Caesar and Shagi blows less coat than Cleo and Julius. What can we infer from that? My shorter coated dogs have thicker undercoats. I do know that Cleo likes to lay in the sun but when it gets above 100 F she spends all her time in the airconditioned shed except to come out and answer nature's call. So - getting a shorthaired CO may be the answer because when the undercoat is blown then they should stay cooler. Also the CAO may fit the bill because of the shorter coat and the highly tuned guarding abilities. Anyway - Bahamian, good luck with your research. In my opinion it is quite possible to keep a CO in the Bahamas although it will not have the highest quality of life because of the environment. With some planning and preparation it is possible. However, since it would be your first CO you may may wish to reconsider and find a more temperate guardian.
                                • I would like to thank everyone that has replied to my thread so far. Some of your advice/opinions have been great. Yes I know its a bit warmer here in The Bahamas so I will have to take precaution(s) with a CO. I also agree with the fact that I should get two instead of one so that they can be companion for one another. I also agree that I should try to find a short hair/coat CO, but I feel that once I get them at a young enough age they would "adapt" and thus not produce such a thick coat. But I am still researching the breed and I will take my time doing this because I need/ want to know "EVERYTHING" that there is to know about this breed before I get them. I know some of you have suggested other breeds that I should consider getting instead of a CO, but the more I learn about this breed; the more I am fascinated with its ability to protect me and my family. So I really don't see no other option than the CO at this time. But again, I want to thank everyone that has responded to me.
                                  • [quote=LOLA]Hi Bahamian The coat issue on the CO in the hotter climates. I have friends that are TM breeders and some have placed pups in Guatamala and other south American counrties and have done well. I also know of some TM's that are in Mexico. Hope that helps you.[/quote] Hi Lola, what is a TM?
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                                        Hello EVERYONE!

                                        Its been a while. I got  two Co's last year (they were a birthday present to my self). They were born in March, 2012. I got them in May 2012. They came from a Russian breeder; thus they came from Russia.

                                        A member here (Yelena), was instrumental in helping me get them. On top of that, she has helped me tremendously in raising them. I truly appreciate everything she has done for me. Thanks again.

                                        They have done VERY well in the climate here. They have tons of shade, along with a pool to wade in on hotter days.

                                        To say they are everything I thought they would be and more, is a gross understatement!

                                        They are now a year and 9 months old. The male's name is Yasha and the female is Sezja. They are litter mate brother/sister.

                                        What do you guys think?

                                        • Very beautiful dogs. I am very interested in having a alabai. I was just wondering how much excersize do your COs need. Cause I read on here an article named CAO care and it said they need 4 and a half hour of excersize. Or is that just for people who live in apartments? I have 4 acres of strong chain link. I am looking to use him for animal deterrent and guard dog. So if I have four acres would I need to walk him for 3 90 min walks like it said.(which is equal to 4 1/2 hours)

                                          • If he has the full run of your property he will be fine.  They do not need forced exercise but will get enough running around your property mostly at night when they are very active.  Good luck.

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                                              What do you guys think?

                                              I think  you got some very nice Caucasian Ovcharkas. They look like very good representatives of the breed. Congratulations. 

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                                                • Hello and how are you doing? I am very interested in getting a Co in the future (hopefully in the not too distant future). I've been reaseraching about the breed for about a year now and I find them to be extremely interesting. What I like is that they are natural guard/protection dogs but what really impresses me is how fast and agile they are for their size. I want to get one to protect/guard my property and family. I've had pit bulls all my life (rite now six) to protect my place but although they keep all "unwanted" guest out and do a pretty decent job of protecting; they do have limitations. And that limitation is their fight first mentality. My two best guard dogs are two females but I could never keep them roaming the yard the same time because they would end up killing one another. I will be getting a new place soon and want a CO to guard it. My criteria for where I get my CO from are: It has to be reputable breeders The dog MUST come from working parents (not show parents) The parents must be genetically healthy I'm not too sure whats the difference between the Co and CAO but I like the really big ones that have the short muzzle that resemble a grizzly bear. I live in The Bahamas and it gets pretty warm here. The average annual temperature is 80 F but in the summer its regullary in the 90's (sometimes 95 or more). Can the CO handle this climate (take into consideration I'll keep it shave during these hot months)? Like I said I'm looking to get one in the future (hopefully next year sometime), so is there any where in N. America that has CO's that meet my criterias? I would like to get two eventually but I would like to start off with a male first. About how much would a male CO cost me including having it shipped to Florida (This is where I would go to get it to bring it to the Bahamas)? If there is anything else that you could posible tell me about CO's please feel free to. I'm always willing to learn more about this wonderfull breed. Thank you.
                                                  • Xamen, I do still have the pits but I want the Co to protect a new property/building that I am getting. The Co WILL NOT be in the same place as the pits. I know I live in a hot climate that is why I said that I'll keep the Co shaved. Will this still be a problem? Thanks
                                                    • [quote=Xamen13] They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions .[/quote] Can you please explain this to me. Thanks
                                                      • Yup, for livestock guarding in tropical climate Kangal would probablly be a god choice, even some strains of CAO, but not CO. I mean if you already want to shave it (wich isn't good), then you might as well consider a shortcoated breed.
                                                        • I understand what everyone is saying and now I am realizing that shaving their coat is not a good idea. I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places. Now I want this Co to be guardian of a big property in which there will be no contact with the other dogs. I understand their strong nature and that they are big dogs but I've been breeding, raising, training dogs etc for the past 18 years (mostly pit bulls and recently Yorkshire terriers). So I do know a bit about dogs however, I will admit that I have never dealt with a breed as big as this. But I am truely looking forward to it because I find Co's to be amazing. Like I've also stated, there are still some things that I need to learn about the breed that is why I am not interested in really trying to get one until next year.
                                                          • [quote=Igmuska"][quote="Bahamian] I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places.[/quote] Have you seen CO breeders or owners in Palm Beach? Some of these places also have a winter climate, even if it is warmer. California does have slight frost in the winter and stays pretty mild in most areas (it's also a very large state with climates from hot desert to snow covered mountain ranges). The extremely hot areas are still no place for a CO. Most of the people who own these dogs in hotter climates in the US keep them as family companions and protectors, which usually means the dog does spend a lot of time indoors with air conditioning. If I remember correctly, the founder of this site gives all of his CO's acess to AC all summer, and he's in Virginia. Yes people in these climates have heavy coated dogs, but the risk of heat stroke is enormous. That's not a risk I would be willing to take. Like Aleksa said, try looking into a CAO of you are stuck on the "type". They often can handle a bigger range of temperatures and though are double coated, it is a shorter version.[/quote] There are Co owners not breeders in Florida. And like I said if they can handle the climate there I know they can handle it here bcause its a bit cooler because of the ocean breeze. Like I said, my island is exactly 60 mile east of west paalm beach Florida. Here is an example of my islands proximity to west palm beach: If "WPB" is west palm beach and "B" is The Bahamas in relation to it on a map, here is how close we are "WPB"-----------east ward (60 miles)--------- "I" So do you still think that this is a problem?
                                                            • Hello everyone, I would just like to thank every one who responded to me maturely and intelligently. Sinec you know much more about this breed than I do, I respect everything that was said. As a result, I've come to the conclusion that a CO would not be suitable due to the warm climate in my country. However, I still think they are the ultimate breed. Is there any other breed that someone can suggest that would be an excellent guard/protection dog for me? I would love something that has the same (or close to the same) intangibles as a CO but that would be able to thrive in The Bahamas. Thank you.
                                                              • It is true that coat of CO is there to keep them isolated from sun too, but you just can not compare summers on Caucasus (or Norway) and on Bahamas. Summers on Caucasus can be very hot but don't forget that during summer nights temperature can be freezing, and that's not even close to place where our friend Bahamian lives, especially when you consider that there is almost no change in temperature during whole year, and there is very little difference in temperature during day and during the night. Not even to mention Caucasus winters, and CO is made for them.
                                                                • Xamen 13, I'm inthe most northern region of the Bahamas (I guesse lat 26). I agree that the summers here are alot different than the summers in Norway. And even though the yearly average temperature on my island is 80 deg. f; we do get as low as 40 degrees during our winters (believe it or not)! I have a question Xamen, property that I was hoping to put the CO on is HIGHLY shaded with ALOT of dense, tall trees. So the yard is FULL of cool shaded, breezy areas. So do you still think this will make it more feasable for me to have a CO?
                                                                  • Aud Stockman, The Bahamas is an Island archipelego (made up of over 700 large islands and small cays). So the nearest beach from the inner most part of my island is ONLY about 7 minutes away (driving)! Now were I live at, the beach is only 7 minutes away (walking), so if I was to drive it will only take maybe 2 minutes!
                                                                    • [quote]Because that will make the climate colder and better for the dog, even it's warm in the air. [..] here in Norway we can have summer from May and out August[/quote]OK, this is getting silly now. What you call a good summer in Norway, we often experience in winter here in Texas. Consider the summers here similar to ... a Sauna. :lol: Since I have been in both places, the Bahamas as well as Norway, you have to believe me that there is a world of difference between the Gulf region and Scandinavia! You WILL need A/C for a CO to live through the summer in a (sub-)tropical climate. Dan
                                                                      • [blockquote]Compared to the Caribbean, Norway does not have summers, only two winters, one green, and one white [/blockquote]Bingo! :lol: Perfect comparison. :) Dan
                                                                        • [quote=cindyba] Gary, what do you think, you have this experience also, would you keep CO's in for excample Jamaica? If so, do you think it would mean any special requirements, like aircondition etc.? [/quote] Hi Cindy, I have been staying out of this discussion because to a great extent it is a personal choice for the owner. Would I have a CO in Jamaica? Yes I would if I lived on a large plot of land with lots of trees and water around. I do live in Virginia and we get summer temps over 100 F during Jul - Sep. During that time I keep my dogs in an airconditioned shed where the temp is about 75 F. When they are outside they dig significantly large holes in the shade places and lay in the cool dirt. If you have a nice pristine yard - it will be destroyed. Now that I have COs - they are the dogs for me regardless of where I end up living.. so if I lived in Jamaica now I would take my dogs there and make it work. They would have AC and ample shade and water - of course they probably would not put on a winter coat :) For Bahamian - if you would not mind another breed then look at the CAO - These dogs are from Central Asia and in that area they also get temperature extremes. You would get a significantly high level of protection with less possibility of heat problems. Also, the other breedes suggested for you are worth consideration.
                                                                          • Cindy, My Cleo is shorthaired but incindentally she has the thickest coat and sheds the most. Cleo is shortcoated, Julius is medium, Caeser and Shagi are long. Caesar and Shagi blows less coat than Cleo and Julius. What can we infer from that? My shorter coated dogs have thicker undercoats. I do know that Cleo likes to lay in the sun but when it gets above 100 F she spends all her time in the airconditioned shed except to come out and answer nature's call. So - getting a shorthaired CO may be the answer because when the undercoat is blown then they should stay cooler. Also the CAO may fit the bill because of the shorter coat and the highly tuned guarding abilities. Anyway - Bahamian, good luck with your research. In my opinion it is quite possible to keep a CO in the Bahamas although it will not have the highest quality of life because of the environment. With some planning and preparation it is possible. However, since it would be your first CO you may may wish to reconsider and find a more temperate guardian.
                                                                            • I would like to thank everyone that has replied to my thread so far. Some of your advice/opinions have been great. Yes I know its a bit warmer here in The Bahamas so I will have to take precaution(s) with a CO. I also agree with the fact that I should get two instead of one so that they can be companion for one another. I also agree that I should try to find a short hair/coat CO, but I feel that once I get them at a young enough age they would "adapt" and thus not produce such a thick coat. But I am still researching the breed and I will take my time doing this because I need/ want to know "EVERYTHING" that there is to know about this breed before I get them. I know some of you have suggested other breeds that I should consider getting instead of a CO, but the more I learn about this breed; the more I am fascinated with its ability to protect me and my family. So I really don't see no other option than the CO at this time. But again, I want to thank everyone that has responded to me.
                                                                              • [quote=LOLA]Hi Bahamian The coat issue on the CO in the hotter climates. I have friends that are TM breeders and some have placed pups in Guatamala and other south American counrties and have done well. I also know of some TM's that are in Mexico. Hope that helps you.[/quote] Hi Lola, what is a TM?
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                                                                                    Hello EVERYONE!

                                                                                    Its been a while. I got  two Co's last year (they were a birthday present to my self). They were born in March, 2012. I got them in May 2012. They came from a Russian breeder; thus they came from Russia.

                                                                                    A member here (Yelena), was instrumental in helping me get them. On top of that, she has helped me tremendously in raising them. I truly appreciate everything she has done for me. Thanks again.

                                                                                    They have done VERY well in the climate here. They have tons of shade, along with a pool to wade in on hotter days.

                                                                                    To say they are everything I thought they would be and more, is a gross understatement!

                                                                                    They are now a year and 9 months old. The male's name is Yasha and the female is Sezja. They are litter mate brother/sister.

                                                                                    What do you guys think?

                                                                                    • Very beautiful dogs. I am very interested in having a alabai. I was just wondering how much excersize do your COs need. Cause I read on here an article named CAO care and it said they need 4 and a half hour of excersize. Or is that just for people who live in apartments? I have 4 acres of strong chain link. I am looking to use him for animal deterrent and guard dog. So if I have four acres would I need to walk him for 3 90 min walks like it said.(which is equal to 4 1/2 hours)

                                                                                      • If he has the full run of your property he will be fine.  They do not need forced exercise but will get enough running around your property mostly at night when they are very active.  Good luck.

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                                                                                          What do you guys think?

                                                                                          I think  you got some very nice Caucasian Ovcharkas. They look like very good representatives of the breed. Congratulations. 

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