Italian and American Cane Corso - differences

Hi! I'm not sure I can express my thoughts about this in english, but I'll try.. Since I'm not very familiar with the American Cane I can't see the differences or similarities, but I can tell you about the Corsos I have. [list]Temperament[/list:u] My CC:s are very loyal to our family, but not at all aloof with strangers (except one of our 4 months old females). Their guarding insticts are well developed and I can be sure there's something outside our land whenever they bark and growl. Overall easygoing familymembers, who rest when nothing happens and are very energic in the forrest or whereever we go. [list]Working ability[/list:u] I haven't trained them to something in particular, but it doesn't matter what you tell them to do, they will do their best and a little more to please you. [list]Size and Structure[/list:u] Well all my CC:s have been within the FCI-standard, eg not over 70 cm in height and not more than 50 kg in weight. Best regards, Suedicca's Kennel in Sweden

[quote=Tonedog]I have a question, what work was the cane corso designed for? I mean originally? Was it a boar dog? cattle dog? guard dog? All of the above?[/quote] the right answer is "all of the above, AND EVEN MORE" :D please,visit the interesting website www.cane-corso.it , and specifically in [url=www.cane-corso.it/storianotizieimportanti.htm]this[/url] page look at "impieghi di una volta"!(also english version)

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Where is the proof that the so called "American Corso" is not the same as that found in Italy? I have heard this too, but many specimens found overseas and in American resemble each other, and some do not. Isn't some variation in working breeds expected? But to say they are different breeds? Is this train of thought correct? Are there Italian Corsos, American Corsos, and this new Canadian Corso Pugliese thing? Cuz worldwide fanciers of the breed only know one dog, the Cane Corso, not an American or Italian Corso. Putting "American" or "Italian" in front of the word "Corso" usually denotes whether the dog was bred in Italy or America. I have been researching the Corso for years now and have yet to find credible evidence of the "Ameican" dogs impuirty.

There is a difference between American-[u]bred[/u] Corsos and American-[u]made[/u] Corsos.

To me personally the phrase "aloof with strangers" means the Cane Corso, or any and all being's be that animal and/or human for that matter, that are considered to be aloof, are simply physically and emotionally detached. Taking the example of a Cane Corso, or any other breed of dog that is considered to be aloof, to me would mean that he/she would observe a stranger from a distance but always within view. Therefore, declining and refusing to partake in any invitation whatsoever on behalf of any stranger thats pertinent to any acts of and/or suggestions of friendliness. No amount of coaxing or friendly banter on account of any stranger will allow for themselves to put in a situation where upon they will be completely at ease in the company of such persons. They may appear to be any and all of these; Casual, Detached, Distant, Incurious, Indifferent, Laid-back, Reserved, Stand-offish, Unapproachable, Uninterested, Unresponsive, Unfriendly, Unsociable, Withdrawn, Disassociated, Conceited, Disdainful, Contemptuous, Impassive, Unpreturbed, Unemotional, Unexcitable, Unflappable, Unmoved, Unruffled, Lackadaisical, Unwelcoming, Hostile, Icy, Impertinent, Impudent, Insolent, Averse and Derisive. However they will always be at the ready to dispose of any threat or foreboding situation that a stranger may place apon him/ her and their extended human family, and in any way that they see necessary to counter act any such foreseeable provocation. And to me that is the ideal. If I could have a dog that was mindful of his own business when it comes to strangers and only interfered when given the ok or when absolutlely necessary I'd be wrapped. As I previously stated this is only how I construe the phrase "aloof with strangers", and how I believe in my opionion an aloof dog should act. Having said that I am by no means an expert on the Cane Corso, I am in fact an amateur when it comes to this breed. They're only very new here in Australia, hence I do not know if this is how a Cane Corso's temperment is or should be. I would love to know if I am on the right track though.

I am just wondering when vets will start performing LIPO SUCTION on dogs :idea: ?... ~Amber

well i'm not a american line fan at all but i'll try to describe it as objective as i humanly can lol Temperment: i never meat in eye or asked how the temperments of american lines but i do now well the italian lines. from what i saw so far they can be very friendly dogs to family and strangers if they were exposed from young age propaply, dogs that weren't trought this usually grew up to be very agressive, dominate dogs or very fearfull, much as any breed Working ability: never tested by myself an american line but i do have some friends that own such dogs. i did saw more titles dogs in US ( and i speak schh, IPO and herding titles ) than in other places. many of those US dogs usually had alot of italian blood in them or were imported from Italy and places like that. the male i have a female from ( Touno) did produced some great studs with schh titles and as much as schh can't tale to much about a dog it does say about the prey drive and wilingns to work. the same i saw from the father and granfather ( half brothers) of my bigger girls who also produced some CAL and schh dogs so as much as i saw from the italian line without knowing well the american lines i do say the italian ones have more work potantial ( sp) Size and Structure: now here remmber i'm not here to insulte anybody from any side so please take it easy as i saw the american line do have alot of size usually and good bodys, big and strong bones but, and here i have a strong BUT, the heads, the head is THE most important thing first seen in CC, i never so far saw a pure american line that had a good corect head, they always have heads to short and wied or way to long and pointy, sorry but this isn't a CC head at all. hope nobody offended to eatier side :) more to that from now any Italian ch must also own a CAL2, not to much of working title but it's alredy somthing

[quote=bullmol242]I have been into the Corso's for over 8 years, I still two Corso's and co-own several more. When I first started researching the breed, I never found any undershot dogs, all the dogs I have seen in the past had minimal white. They had deep set eyes which did not potrude. Now I have seen undershot dogs, looking very bully, protruding eyes, Like a boxer, a large amount of white, ( dogo ). Whether american or european both sides have crossed dogs. I found that the past corso's of the U.S. had much more type and better working temp. We have to remember that this is a working breed. Sharp temps are welcomed and are needed for true working dogs.[/quote] Good points. I dont think you can generalise and say "the Italians do this and the Americans do that". There are serious, hard working breeders on both sides of the pond and also the not so serious that try to put their own twist on the breed and do not really care how the dogs of the past were or try to preserve the breed. Also, do not forget all the good programmes in northern Europe, South America and other parts of the world. Its not only an Italy/US thing.

http://www.canecorsoworkingclub.com/index.html A lot of good US dogs (many with Italian lines also) there! For the better of the breed, we should try to set the differences aside and use the best dogs, no matter if its Italian, US or whatever!

[quote=bullmol242]I have been into the Corso's for over 8 years, I still two Corso's and co-own several more. When I first started researching the breed, I never found any undershot dogs, all the dogs I have seen in the past had minimal white. They had deep set eyes which did not potrude. Now I have seen undershot dogs, looking very bully, protruding eyes, Like a boxer, a large amount of white, ( dogo ). Whether american or european both sides have crossed dogs. I found that the past corso's of the U.S. had much more type and better working temp. We have to remember that this is a working breed. Sharp temps are welcomed and are needed for true working dogs.[/quote] Many of the dogs from old school breeders like Cosmo Verdino where undershot and also had plenty of white on the toes and chest. Sometime white socks on the feet and penis sheeth. Those dogs go back farther than 8 years ago.

I would like to know what "old school" breeders produced overshot bites in the Corso????????????????????????????????? 8O

I was staying on a polish kennel last weekend, and the owner showed me an old corso lady. las vegas line. She was 11 years old and had the size of a big amstaff. Her nose was quite long and the face didnt say corso in any way. More like a bullterrier kind of head. The breeder claimed, that many of the old dogs from kennel las vegas, was american bandogs. It did made sence when I saw the dog. I have heard that before, but this is the first time I se a corso, that could look like a bandogmix

Even in Europe, you could get fake Corsi, or Corsi that look like another breed. I've seen a blue and tan (Rottweiler colour but blue) win once ! The first big champion in the Netherlands had a wrong colour too (slight sadle colouring). A lot of them look more like boxers or bullmastiff nowadays.

[quote=Wolf]Add to the stew the Italian Corso Ortognato and its Canadian version named Corso Pugliese and you have even more variety in the group. Not to mention original regional breeds of the Cane e Presa Italiano type, many of which are on their way of dissapearing and some that have been lost due to the popularity of the Cane Corso programmes...[/quote] Good point. Being that dogs are like people, and other living creatures, regional variations occurs and consistency is nebulous thing - of course "regionalism" can also have its variations. Really, the various "breeds" native to So. Italy which are being collected into the Cane Corso, aren't being lost, IMO. Rather, in a way, they're being preserved. What's more important is that Cane Corso breeders are being consistent in their use of So. Italian dogs and producing dogs fitting of their original purpose, even if those specific purposes won't be fulfilled.