Japanese akita/ american akita

Hi Cornelio, I do not know what that breeder was saying. However, I have owned Akitas since 1995. When I got my first Akita puppy a 2 months old male in America, the first thing the breeder told me was that I would need to get rid of my 2 year old male Weimerreiner. I also noticed that when walking the dog, we Akita owners were prone to avoid each other in my neighborhood back then as well. It may be that we did that just because of all the rumors of aggression, but I know that my male Akitas always wants to fight other dogs back then, I can tell because the hair on his neck area stands at that point. Even though he went through obedence training as a puppy. Right now, I have one male (T-Bone), he is almost 11 months old, and wants to play with other dogs in the neighborhood. However, at 4 months old, not even a 3 year old German Sherperd can come close to this same Akita's food. So I have been wondering, will he play with other dogs when there is no food involved? But to say that the Japanese breed is the agressive one and that the American ones are the teddy bear, can be misleading in my opinion. THanks

[quote=cornelio]Today I was talking to an American Akita breeder at an FCI competition in Puerto Rico and he is telling me that the Japnese version of the akita is the one that is more aggresive towards others dogs. He told me that the american counterpart is an easy going dog and more benign with others dogs. He got two beautiful females that are from Oregon, but his remark of the difference of the two breeds kept me thinking, because in the breed profile here, the american akita is supposedely, the bad guy with other dogs. The same thing happen with Tosas, the american ones are more playful, like English mastiffs, and more friendly. Just a comment. :)[/quote] It sounds like someone was trying to sell you a dog. BOTH breeds are agressive with dogs of the same sex. JA have a higher prey drive so they do tend to run a little hotter with other dogs. JA should have ZERO agression twards people for any reason, as should a Tosa BTW.

so your saying an akita or a tosa...aren't or have ever been guard dogs...even though both are generally considered a guard dog as well...but should have ZERO aggression towards humans??...hmmmm interesting...noting akitas aren't what they used to be in temperment... can you name any other fighting breeds that don't double as a guard dog...and have ZERO human aggression??

[quote=sodapop1124]so your saying an akita or a tosa...aren't or have ever been guard dogs...even though both are generally considered a guard dog as well...but should have ZERO aggression towards humans??...hmmmm interesting...noting akitas aren't what they used to be in temperment... can you name any other fighting breeds that don't double as a guard dog...and have ZERO human aggression??[/quote] Nope, never bred as guard dogs. There is no need for a guard dog in Japan. Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world.

i didn't say specifally bred for...i said used as... in akitas history it clearly mentions...hunter,fighter and guardian(more like dogs used to develope modern akitas)...and was used as such and still are...not as effective generally speaking or as others...high prey...weak defense/fight drives... tosa...originally bred as fighter yes i know that...with high drives and mastiff blood coursing through its veins...intended or not...is going to be human aggressive with guardian abilities...and people use them as such as well...and commonly mentioned as an effective guardian... so with your philosophy...one would be able to easily...jump into a yard or break into a house...threaten its owner...etc...and it should just look at ya bewildered...because a true tosa in your mind...should/will have absolutely ZERO human aggression...seriously...why don't ya give it ago...and if your still alive...lemme know how the ZERO aggression went...

First of all if you are in a situation where you constantly have to defend your life, figure some stuff out and fix it. If you are depending for any dog to save your life you are a dumbass. If anyone is going to kill me they are not going to do it with thier bare hands and a gun will defeat any dog in less than a second. Second, Japan is the safest country Earth with almost zero violent crime rate. The socio-economic conditions create a guard dog do not exsist in Japan. The Akita (JA) was created originally as a hunting and all porpouse farm dog. For th last sixty years it has exsisted as a show dog, companion dog for the highest class. The Tosa is a dog of the Yakusa. Yakusa do not have to worry about street crime and if one where to get whacked, the type of dog will mak no differance. The Tosa has to be handled in the heat of combat by many people, stranger, friend or different. Human agression would cause a problem in that arena The American Akita has traditionally had more of a defensive nature than the Japanese breed, but that is result of American desires in a breed, not the Japanese.

i wasn't specifically talking about in japan...but regardless...the zero human aggressive as in general handling of the tosa etc...this i will agree but wasn't what i'm referring to...protection/guarding(home/family) is a totally different set of circumstances... a tosa is used elsewhere as a guardian & its also frequently mentioned in regards to the tosa(maybe not used over there so much)...heres a couple of quotes from a decendant of a family generation of tosa in japan... Hirose says: "I have certain fears about the Tosa outside Japan. In the United States and Europe, many people see the possibilities and appreciate the qualities of the Tosa as a companion and guard dog, all while remembering it's history as a fighting dog... His grandmother, after the second world War, used Tosas to protect her cattle because of theft due to widespread hunger... akita...in its so called history or anything really about the akita states...its also a guard...(but a lame one)...and just to point out if an akita wasn't human aggressive...it wouldn't consistantly be in the top 5 dog ban breeds now would it??...i've had 2 akitas...one i put down for that "zero" human aggressiveness bite he did to someones face that need many stitches... plus the ja version or american akita is a created 20th century dog...that actually has no purpose at all...but the various dogs used to create it...were hunters,fighters,and guard dogs...but not the actual akita as we know it... and i'm not even going to even get into that first paragraph you wrote... ovcharkaboy [blockquote]First of all if you are in a situation where you constantly have to defend your life, figure some stuff out and fix it. If you are depending for any dog to save your life you are a dumbass. If anyone is going to kill me they are not going to do it with thier bare hands and a gun will defeat any dog in less than a second. [/blockquote]

[quote="sodapop1124"]i wasn't specifically talking about in japan...but regardless...the zero human aggressive as in general handling etc...this i will agree but wasn't what i'm referring to...protection/guarding(home/family) is a totally different set of circumstances... a tosa is used elsewhere as a guardian & its also frequently mentioned in regards to the tosa(maybe not used over there so much)...heres a couple of quotes from a decendant of a family generation of tosa in japan... Hirose says: "I have certain fears about the Tosa outside Japan. In the United States and Europe, many people see the possibilities and appreciate the qualities of the Tosa as a companion and guard dog, all while remembering it's history as a fighting dog... His grandmother, after the second world War, used Tosas to protect her cattle because of theft due to widespread hunger... akita...in its so called history or anything really about the akita states...its also a guard...(but a lame one)...and just to point out if an akita wasn't human aggressive...it wouldn't consistantly be in the top 5 dog ban breeds now would it??...i've had 2 akitas...one i put down for that "zero" human aggressiveness bite he did to someones face that need many stitches... plus the ja version or american akita is a created 20th century dog...that actually has no purpose at all...but the various dogs used to create it...were hunters,fighters,and guard dogs...but not the actual akita as we know it... and i'm not even going to even get into that first paragraph you wrote... ovcharkaboy [blockquote]First of all if you are in a situation where you constantly have to defend your life, figure some stuff out and fix it. If you are depending for any dog to save your life you are a dumbass. If anyone is going to kill me they are not going to do it with thier bare hands and a gun will defeat any dog in less than a second. [/blockquote][/quote] First of all when speaking of the Akita please learn and understand that there are TWO breeds of Akita. I am speaking of the Japanese Akita, they have NEVER been bred as a guard and any human agression would be looked at as a severe to disqualifing fault . As to the AA being high on the list of breeds that bite in the USA that can actually have little if anything to do with agression. Cockers are one of the top biting breeds also, are they agressive guard dogs? A lot of these breeds that bite do so out of fear and there are a lot of fearful AA's and AA crosses out there. JA's are not on the list, especially considering that there are less than 1000 in North America. As to the Tosa I have broken bred with the late Sudo San who's family registers every Tosa in Japan and has done so since the early 1900's. He was explicit that the breed is not nor should they ever be human agressive. Sorry to burst your bubble but a human agressive temperment in ANY of the Japanese breeds is simply and factually incorrect.

i know theres two types and both are a pure created breed...there was no such thing as an akita...until the 20th century...and as you stated a farm & hunting dog...when infact had no actual funtion or purpose what so ever...like i said...the dogs used to create both ja or am did have those traits...fighting,hunting,and farm guards...so learn & understand... & i don't believe for a second that a tosa...would not have the abilities to protect is home or family if the situation arose... ovcharkaboy...[blockquote]As to the Tosa I have broken bred with the late Sudo San who's family registers every Tosa in Japan and has done so since the early 1900's[/blockquote] sure ya did...:lol:

[quote="sodapop1124"]i know theres two types and both are a pure created breed...there was no such thing as an akita...until the 20th century...and as you stated a farm & hunting dog...when infact had no actual funtion or purpose what so ever...like i said...the dogs used to create both ja or am did have those traits...fighting,hunting,and farm guards...so learn & understand... & i don't believe for a second that a tosa...would not have the abilities to protect is home or family if the situation arose... ovcharkaboy...[blockquote]As to the Tosa I have broken bred with the late Sudo San who's family registers every Tosa in Japan and has done so since the early 1900's[/blockquote] sure ya did... :lol:[/quote] You are wrong but whatever you say. Entering into any sort of attempted dialog with you is as pointless as trying to teach a mute how to sing. :roll: :roll: P.S. Don't forget to not drop the soap.

[quote="T-Bone"]It may be that we did that just because of all the rumors of aggression, but I know that my male Akitas always wants to fight other dogs back then, I can tell because the [u]hair on his neck area stands[/u] at that point. Even though he went through obedence training as a puppy.[/quote] I'm sorry. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the dog want's to fight. :roll:

jaboa...i understand the not outwardly being people aggressive...my issues was them being protective...the two are different to me...i just have a hard time thinkin with mastiff ties that...its still retains general protective qualities if home/family was endangered... pure line pits i understand cuz they don't have that blood in them... nak101...the odate dogs were only part of the modern akita..and what was all in the odate dog to begin with...mutts,types not standard...akitas are no ancient breed...just designer 20th century dogs of japan...with many types that went into creating it...ja or am...simply a designer dog with no history or true breed function...

i know enough to know the "akita" is no ancient breed...and was created to a standard using some of the odate dogs that had characteristics found in the modern akita...if you think the akita is some old pure breed...then you need to get alittle more with it :wink:

Sure, if we apply the Neo logic here, then the Akita is really ancient. :wink: