Picture of the Algerian mastiff
Just saw your question on the Aidi type dog there . ITo be honest I am unimpressed with this dog just looks like a mixed breed no recognizable type, unlike the pictures posted in here previously there you have something to work with in my iopinon this dog here I say let it be someones beloved companion , and all that entails, but nothing beyond that .
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Here is an interesting article about the chien de l’atlas. Also tell me what you think of the interesting looking Aidi type dog?
http://www.maghress.com/fr/lematin/21237;jsessionid=7AA70C083A959412A7647340608695DF
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Here is a picture of an Algerian Mastiff. The picture was taken in Tunisia right next to the Algerian border. The dog to the far right and far left are Algerian Mastiff types.[br][file={e_FILE}public/1286297574_18368_FT0_berber_dog.doc]berber_dog.doc[/file]
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Thanks for sharing these dogs to me look kind of like CAO
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Can't see it =*(
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[quote1286313154=babigirl] Can't see it =*( [/quote1286313154] i will try to change it into a normal pic for you. ;) it is a word document and you can see a big boar and on the left side a shepherd type dog.
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The dog to the left and the white dog in the background are interesting to me. The other two look like Aidi, maybe mixes. Thanks for the picture, they are definitely different than most true Aidi I have seen pictures of. If you have any others, please share them with us. We could use some pictures of this type. Is there a story behind the picture? Scarlette; yes, what you are seeing is a primitive mastiff prototype. Many, many aboriginal mastiff types share this uncomplicated appearance.
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Sorry I dont know how else to post it. There are 2 dogs in the picture 1 to the far right and one to the far left. My berber Relatives confirmed they used these dogs to watch over and guard there flock, village and occasionally hunt.
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These are not my personal pictures I found them on the web and contacted my berber family to see whether they recognised them. They immediately recognised them and told me they were used to protect and watch over the village/livestock and hunt. These dogs are still probably in Algeria but so far my research has lead me to some villages right on the border of Algeria/Tunisia. I will be taking a trip to the villages around the Tunisian/Algerian border to see these dogs in the flesh later in the year.
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[quote1286320318=maxi13] If someone can tell me how to post pics I could post another one. [/quote1286320318] @ jessica here the pic for you
@ maxi13
just go to http://photobucket.com/ or any other hosting service and get an account there. they you can uplaod picture and post them, but you can even do it completely without using another service and simply attach pics here.
below the textfield here you can see this:
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and exactly here you can upload pictures from your computer. i hope this information could help you.
regards
andreas
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Thank you very much Andreas!!! Very interesting looking dog there to the left....
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Here is another picture for you. This dog resembles the same type of dog.
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Beautiful dog....Love the head and crop. Thanks for sharing
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Maxi, I fixed the image for you. After putting the link on your response, highlight it and select the box with the tree on it to add your
tags. This makes it viewable. Again, very interesting. When you go, be sure to document any dogs you see. I would love to hear the ratio of "Aidi" type to this mastiff/shepherd type. You should see a mix of the two. In the first picture, the dog in the background on the left; I would like to see a bit closer. IMO, it looks more "Aidi" like than true mastiff/shepherd. It's too hard to fully tell though. It could also be a young dog. Be careful, the Aidi has similar job descriptions. Most of this type is thought to have been lost to inbreeding with the Aidi. Think of the population you will encounter as the Maremma and the Abruzzese are/were. You will see examples of both and mixes of them, though there are two types. I would ask people specifically about both types, and if they have specific jobs and what is desired in them. I can't wait to see more!
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Yes I will be taking a lot of pictures when I’m there. If im happy with what i see i plan on bringing 2 of these dogs back to the UK eventually. Hopefully it wont be to hard to find pure specimens.
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"I can't wait to see more!" I Concur
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Breathtaking!!!! is this a female? to me the dog looks feminine and I like others Can't wait to see more photos and again this dog is just breathinglly lovely. Scarlette [quote1286389289=babigirl] Beautiful dog....Love the head and crop. Thanks for sharing [/quote1286389289]
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Glad that you like them.
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[quote1286414101=maxi13] Here is another picture for you. This dog resembles the same type of dog.
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this dog looks beautiful.
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Thank you very much Andreas!!!
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you are welcome jessica.
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I envy the owners of this beautiful dog
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Hello thx a lot for writing abt this wonderful breed, and for the nice pics, actually i was looking a lot in the internet of some pics of pure breed algerian mastifs fotos , but i couldn't find antone unfortenatly , i suggest u to visit the north west part of algeria too, i heard from a friend tht in some villages ( douar ) they still have big dogsfor guarding using the old way ( keeping them in the day, and releasing them in the night , they form herds wht protect the village ) flowing what my father ( he had one when he was young ) and some old person in Algeria said the pure blood Algerian mastiffs was much biger then the dogs in that pics , well, i want to ask u too about another breed of dogs, i used to see it a lot when i travel to the algerian desert , it’s this one u can see in this pic , i found it in a website, this foto was taken in tunisia , and that dogs looks to me like they have desert jakal blood , especialt the one in the right , see the short tail and the face ,,, did anyone know that breed ??? sorry for the bad english ;) [br][link={e_FILE}public/1287513063_18654_FT76611_chien_sahara_tunisie.jpg][img:width=500&height=333]{e_FILE}public/1287513063_18654_FT76611_chien_sahara_tunisie_.jpg">[/link][br]
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It’s nice to speak to a fellow Algerian. Yes, you are right that the original Algerian Mastiff was indeed much larger but unfortunately I can’t find dogs of that size yet. My relatives in Algeria also suggested the Douar area but I couldn’t find any evidence of Algerian mastiffs there. If you find anything in that area I would be very grateful if you share it with me. It’s such a pity that Algeria has almost lost these dogs. My father once told me that his grandmother used to go to sleep at night listening to the roar of lions in the distance and that they used to send large dogs out to protect the flocks and villagers. My father also grew up with the Algerian Mastiff, he described them as large dogs that looked similar to a hyenas in appearance. The dog’s you pictured look similar to the Kabyle dog and some Bedouin dogs. Here is a picture of a dog that is similar. http://a34.idata.over-blog.com/3/38/20/20/RETOUCHE/moutons-de-guerbez.jpg Some dogs on this boar also look similar.
This is a photo taken in Algeria. Who knows what these dogs are. If only the photographer was more interested in his dogs and not the sand!
http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/600x337/3/38/20/20/formis.jpg
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hi maxi, very nice to find someone interested abt tht bree too ,usually most of the dogs breeders here are interesting about the imported breeds, even tht they r not as adapted as the local dogs to our deffirents climats , and yes ur right, the algerian mastiff was developed by local people to protect their villages againstt big predators like the barbay lion and leopard,it explain why this breed almost desapeard short time after the two predators extiction , and other breeds like the sloughi wht is a jakal hunter breed continu to excite , it is very hard to find a pure blood algerian mastiff with the same original size actually, we can just find some mixed blood specimens , if we want to save this breed i guess we have to start a program of breeding to seelct the closest mixt breed speimens to the pure algerian mastiff, and use some kangal blood to get the original size ( algerian mastiff had kangal blood during the othoman presence in algeria ) im waiting to get a piece of land in algeria to start a kennel project, then i will start to gethere deffitent dogs from the local breeds , i will let u know if there is some news , salam my friend ;)
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Good luck with your efforts they certainly look like a very nice breed. I am wondering if anyone would like to take a stab at explaining what their temperament is like? Scarlette
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Amen would have loved to seen their faces:-([quote1287598328=maxi13] It’s nice to speak to a fellow Algerian. Yes, you are right that the original Algerian Mastiff was indeed much larger but unfortunately I can’t find dogs of that size yet. My relatives in Algeria also suggested the Douar area but I couldn’t find any evidence of Algerian mastiffs there. If you find anything in that area I would be very grateful if you share it with me. It’s such a pity that Algeria has almost lost these dogs. My father once told me that his grandmother used to go to sleep at night listening to the roar of lions in the distance and that they used to send large dogs out to protect the flocks and villagers. My father also grew up with the Algerian Mastiff and when I asked him what the dogs looked like he replied saying “ They looked similar to hyenasâ€. Later, I showed him a picture of a cropped Kangal, he replied “This dog is very similar to the dogs I grew up withâ€. Do you have any plans in trying find these dogs? The dog’s you pictured look similar to the Kabyle dog and some Bedouin dogs. Here is a picture of a dog that is similar. http://a34.idata.over-blog.com/3/38/20/20/RETOUCHE/moutons-de-guerbez.jpg This is a photo taken in Algeria. Who knows what these dogs are. If only the photographer was more interested in his dogs and not the sand! http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/600x337/3/38/20/20/formis.jpg [/quote1287598328]
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hi,thx for the good luck wishes the algerian herder was a great watchdog ,energetic agile and ,fast for a mastiff alert ,ready for action My dad and uncle used to have a an Algerian mastiff they practically grew up with those dogs, and they didn't tell me about any accident or aggressive behavior of one of this dogs toward children, the villagers lived so close to their animals in general and they don't tolerate any aggressivety against their family members , nobody does of cours ;) but i meant that it's a basic point on the selectif process what created this breed during centuries , very very loyal and faithful too , I remember a story told by a French officer, during the 19century ,a village in the gate of the Algerian desert called Zaatcha resisted to the French army, and after some battles it was practically erased ,the house was destroyed and the people killed or deported , what shocked the French officer is that after some time the dogs of this village what lost their owners started to attack the French brigades what was passing by the way of this village they didn't stop till that all of them was shouted
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They keep sounding better all the time. Like the loyality annnd they to me sound like a breed who's nature is very stable. I have always had a liking for breeds that have what I call a primitive/feral look.(m) and I am betting these are pretty smart too.(h)!dog Gotta love a smart dog!!
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Here is an interesting article about the chien de l’atlas. Also tell me what you think of the interesting looking Aidi type dog? http://www.maghress.com/fr/lematin/21237;jsessionid=7AA70C083A959412A7647340608695DF
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I think thi is a very good article and I agree their needs to be a movement to promote the culture of the owners of these dog. With out males being 4 times more then their are female it's imperative their be selective breedings. Would be very sad to see this become another exinct breed when I am think the potential this breed has ihas not yet been shown. To me its like only the tip of the iceberg has been shown. Scarlette
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Just saw your question on the Aidi type dog there . ITo be honest I am unimpressed with this dog just looks like a mixed breed no recognizable type, unlike the pictures posted in here previously there you have something to work with in my iopinon this dog here I say let it be someones beloved companion , and all that entails, but nothing beyond that . Scarlette[quote1289414979=maxi13] Here is an interesting article about the chien de l’atlas. Also tell me what you think of the interesting looking Aidi type dog? http://www.maghress.com/fr/lematin/21237;jsessionid=7AA70C083A959412A7647340608695DF [/quote1289414979]
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Yes I agree with you. The dog pictured looks very mutty. In general the aidi dog is not my type of dog. I have however been in contact with the lady who photographed the second picture I posted and I have some very intresting news to share with you. Im waiting for some more information from her, once i get it I will update you.
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I have spoken to the lady who took this photo http://sloughi.tripod.com/sloughiworld/croppedtunisianvillagedog.jpg Here’s some of the information I have received. This type of mastiff/shepherd dog is not rare in Tunisia. A very strong, sturdy working dog around the same size and bulk of a Labrador. They are currently used as flock guardians and occasionally hunting dogs. Some dogs that she encountered seemed ok up close with people, others seemed quite aggressive (snarling and barking) to anyone coming close to its herd. This is great news for me, as I feared these dogs would be very rare. I can’t wait to see them in the flesh!
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Oh wow can't wait to hear what you have learned again my compliments on this beautiful girl. I do think would make an excellent foundation dog. The opther dog glad to see you agreed with me on was afraid of offending but I am a straight shooter and call them as I see them. Not always made me likely to be voted miss congenialty.:S
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Awesome dogs. However, I noticed a lot of the Molosser dogs in the Balkan, Italy, and Steppe part of Asia resemble one of my favorite dogs: the German Shepherd.
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so have any idea when you may finally get to see them real life?
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Hopefully around January next year.
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