Why would you not recommend a Sarplaninac
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Why would you not recommend a Sarplaninac?What are the "bad things" about Sarpaninacs? -
I wouldn't reccommend a sarplaninac, or any dog for that matter, to anyone who believes this line of nonsense... "" have read a text about chaining a dog on internet and I think I understood why that dog attacked me.It seems like dogs hate getting chained to somewhere and they become aggresive,bite. "Dogs who are chained run a much higher risk of biting.Why? Chaining a dog goes against its natural instincts. Dogs were not meant to be chained. Most become protective of the area around them and in some cases, down right mean, even to their owners. They feel confined, trapped and it drives them crazy. Another case is an acquaintance that owned an English Bulldog. He had the dog tied up in the back yard. One day the dog got off of the chain. One of the neighbor kids tried to bring him home. When the boy grabbed his collar the dog bit the boy in the face. Why? The dog was confused. He was suddenly free and he did not know how to handle it. Going home meant back on the chain""
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Take a look in the Breed Profiles here. From what you've prevously stated I would look into Much milder temperment dogs. Infact WHAT is it you expect out of your dog?
Because the breed's you picked are WORKERS, What will YOU be able to give them exactly, other then an inexperienced home.. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but are you actually reading what your typing? Before getting Any dog, I would first buy yourself some books, dog behavior perhaps? Not Everything YOU read on the internet is True-FYI. But Seriously get into the breed profiles, you can read Alot of fabulous info-Right Here. -
babigirl,yes I am reading breed-profiles,although some of them are contradictory.I want a guard dog like my previous dog,Rottweiler,so I want a worker.But at the same time,I have some fear caused by dog attack.So I want a calm-very calm dog but who has the guarding ability,if it is possible(if there is a dog like that)
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crnosrce1,what should I do to have gentle answers in this forum?Seems like not asking any questions is the only answer.I am trying not to get angry,but some answers in my two threads are really compelling my patience limits.
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But another possibility came to my mind,maybe you understood what I meant wrong.By chaining dogs,I meant,chaining the dog to a place for long periods of time,for example,chaining the dog to a backyard for long periods of time,I do not mean chaining for walking with him,I don't mean chaining a dog to a tree for a short period of time too.Chaining a dog to a backyard and then not giving attention to him can make him aggressive,I think this is logical,isn't it?But if I had meant chaining him for walking with him or similar things,yes it would be nonsense.
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You have unfortunately come to the site when a bunch of the established more knowledgeable members are done being polite because our politeness and willingness to help has been taken for granted and shit on. I apologize to you for my harsh tone. You must realize taking a dog like a sarplaninac or a co based on experience with a rottweiler is not the smartest of ideas for what I would think are obvious reasons. Completely different set of rules concerning raising, selecting, training, feeding and care on your part, and a completely different set of instincts based upon breedings of the past, different rules of engagement, different levels of respect and love and devotion, different outlooks upon the relationship with the handler, different criteria for warning respect and many many more I haven't listed on the DOGS TERMS. You really need to spend considerable time around these breeds to grasp what exactly they are. I'm sorry but a day a week in a park is not nearly enough exposure.
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[quote=Awareness]babigirl,yes I am reading breed-profiles,although some of them are contradictory.[/quote] Contradictory to what? Most of the profile on here will contradict the encyclopeidaa and other internet sites. [quote=Awareness] I want a guard dog like my previous dog,Rottweiler,so I want a worker.[/quote] I think a Rottweiler would be perfect for you. In fact, the only way to get a dog like a Rottweiler is toe get a Rottweiler. Good luck on your search.
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Thanks for your answers. bushlover,I read many breed profiles from many different sites,and I find there are some contradictions between each other.
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[quote1270727610=crnosrce1] different levels of respect and love and devotion, [/quote1270727610] good post crnosrce1 but now i have one question. which of the breed that have been mentioned here. as far as i know Sar, CO, Rottweiler and few more have been mentioned has the highest level of respect, love and devotion for his owner in your opinion? because i really think if that´s an important thing for our new member she could get a good Fila Brasileiro, Neopolitan or English Mastiff (implying she really finds a good one) mastiff breeds on average have much less rank drive and are very attached to the owner. so i even think there are better dogs than a Rottweiler for her. @ awareness, have you also thought about these breeds *-) but good examples are hard to find, but i guess you can get good advice here. here are many people with a lot of experience!
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I also didn't mean to sound harsh, as well. STOP looking at other profiles, honestly....Just read what they have here...It's as true as it can come, from someone with ALOT of experience who was hands on while writing the profiles here. Another bit of advice would be to STOP looking at pictures, but read the information given. The "look" of the dog should have Nothing to do with your decision. Do you live in the City, a town or Country life? Where would the dog live? Do you have children, or plan to? Work long hours? How large is your yard? Who would take care of the dog IF you leave? Also any local experienced trainers-Can you afford to pay someone to work with your dog? What type of excerise mentally and physically could you give? THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO ANSWER BEFORE PICKING OUT A BREED.
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A stuffed animal dog and an electronic home security system would probably work best in this situation.
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[quote1270843867=babigirl] Not Everything YOU read on the internet is True-FYI. [/quote1270843867] Since when?! Holy crap, my world is upside down again! If it wasnt true it wouldn't be on the interwebs right?
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Reading this I wonder if you have considered the following breeds Great Pyrnees. Pyrenean Mastiff Spanish Mastiff. I would also think it a good idea for you to try and look at some breeder websites of the breed you have an interested and read what they say about the breed. Scarlette
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If you are bent in an lgd, look into the softer varieties like the great pyr, tornjak, anatolian shepherds.
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I don't have any experience with sarplaninacs.. so I won't comment about them. but I have seen plethora of dogs from LGD breed and I have one myself.. provided that you raise them with due authoritative ownership, love and respect, they will be very loyal to you and very soft to the family. no matter how ferocious the dog is known to be, he will be great with the family. his aggression will be directed to the strangers. so, don't worry.. but sincere request is, instead of trying to desensitize the dog from aggression towards strangers, you may pick a softer type of LGDs.. preferably a great pyrenees.. 'softer' doesn't mean less capable.. if you want a sarplaninac, essentially go for one.. it is absolutely your choice and you exercise your choice. pick the right puppy and raise it in the right way and he'll be a great companion of yours. (right way doesn't mean something which is really difficult.. it is just saying 'NO' and "good' whenever it is needed to be said. and of course, being a rottweiler owner, you must be knowing.. exercise your authority..by training or things like that..) good luck.. :D and about different levels of respect and love and devotion, see, I find every enthusiast of every breed claiming their breed to be the most loyal, devoted and loving. it is not false. they actually are so devoted. but different level means what? as compared to humans? then, on average, yes.. but when compared to other dogs, I don;t buy this statement. because I have owned so many dogs and I have found every dog to have its unique way of showing its respect,love and devotion. and they are not a monopoly of any given breed. and besides, we have seen individuals from almost all performance breeds working so hard with devotion,love and respect that they even go to the level of self sacrifice gladly.. dogs from rottweilers, GSDs, Dobermann to various breeds of LGDs have exhibited this noble trait. I don't understand by which measurement the sarplaninac has been found to have a different level of the said attributes. but I understand that it is true, and not false.. not only true for sarplaninac, but for every dog breed that exist on the planet earth. for dogs radiate pure love and devotion.
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Arun im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with you "if you want a sarplaninac, essentially go for one.. it is absolutely your choice and you exercise your choice. pick the right puppy and raise it in the right way and he'll be a great companion of yours. (right way doesn't mean something which is really difficult.. it is just saying 'NO' and "good' whenever it is needed to be said. and of course, being a rottweiler owner, you must be knowing.. exercise your authority..by training or things like that..) good luck.." Atleast for now, I do agree with others that maybe Awaress should start out with one of the softer temp LGD to gain some personal hands on experience. I see more and more of LGD's needing to be placed in shelters and foster homes because of lack of experience on new owners parts
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[quote1270935242=bigdog322] I see more and more of LGD's needing to be placed in shelters and foster homes because of lack of experience on new owners parts [/quote1270935242] Thank you for bringing this up rich. I have also noticed this trend. I have also noticed a lot of these hybrid types of lgd crosses based the stupid idea of making a new and superior or magical new type of lgd looking dog with out any knowledge of the breeds characteristics and why they should NOT be crossed.
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[quote=bigdog322] Arun im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with you "if you want a sarplaninac, essentially go for one.. it is absolutely your choice and you exercise your choice. pick the right puppy and raise it in the right way and he'll be a great companion of yours. (right way doesn't mean something which is really difficult.. it is just saying 'NO' and "good' whenever it is needed to be said. and of course, being a rottweiler owner, you must be knowing.. exercise your authority..by training or things like that..) good luck.." Atleast for now, I do agree with others that maybe Awaress should start out with one of the softer temp LGD to gain some personal hands on experience. I see more and more of LGD's needing to be placed in shelters and foster homes because of lack of experience on new owners parts [/quote]
if they are such people who'd abandon the dog for not suiting their life later on, they must never caste their eyes on breeds like this. the enthusiastic people that I know here are of such nature that, even if the rottweiler they bought to guard shows terrible signs of fear, they don't abandon the dog, because they consider it as a part of their family, as their own child.. they accept the way they are. here, we seldom find people abandoning expensive dogs in shelters.. :) I dunno how exactly it is in the west..
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Short to the point answer.... Because you won't get a quality specimen of the breed with out being in the "inner circle" with any breeder you do contact.
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Well all I can say to add to this is that the Sar is not for the faint of heart,and they demand respect. A powerhouse of a dog who will devote and give up her life for you but they are better trained with a firm but kind hand. You will get back tenfold from them.
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Why would you not recommend a Sarplaninac?What are the "bad things" about Sarpaninacs?Most of us replying to this topic do know the Sarplaninac and the good and the bad with the breed and we also know that the breed does not define the dog. What we do not know is the capability of the prospective owner so to properly answer an question like this we must first know about the person asking the question. I will not start from a position that there is something wrong with the breed. The only thing wrong with most breeds is the stupidity of the owners.
Not implying that you fit that category - but lets first assume that the dogs are what they are.. canine specimen and they do have variations .. the only thing we can't predict is the owner.
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Oh how I agree like Ive said these dogs are not for the inexperienced. They will ruin your day if you don't have the respect from them you need. That said they are kind loving pets and fierce protectors, but they are a dog that you need to research well before you get one if not for your sake then for theirs. I love mine but have been tried by her a few times and I can only say thank god for repition. LOL although Im the first to admit Ive made plenty of mistakes and she remembers them all LOL!
I am also open to any advice from other owners and thanks in advance
Becki
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To everyone participating in this topic I recommend that you take a few (ok, more than a few) minutes and read this previous topic which is probably the best discussion on the Shar temperament and constitution you will find anywhere.
