Who health tests here ?
Why use THAT video to illustrate your point?
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Do you think a dog must be health tested properly before breeding no matter how drivey or powerful the dog is ? I think these bull and mastiff type dogs have ridiculous pain tolerance. A lot of working enthusiast folks state that working alone is natural selection. However, i think this high pain tolerance can mask undergoing issues in the dog. For example my pup just turned two and he was on his way to start training with heavier weights in pulling. I did the right thing and decided to get his hips xrayed and the results came out unsatisfactory. He never limped pulling or quit pulling yet he had this undergoing issue. Just look at this video, which is very sad this dog won't let go of the other even after it gets smashed on the head or kicked. If a dog has bad hips or elbows its own drive or aggression can mask the pain of joint problem and nobody would ever know. I removed the link sorry
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Why use THAT video to illustrate your point?
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I didn't mean it Ina negative way at all I think it's horrible. I was just using that as example. I apologize if it was wrong of me to post that, we could try to flag it on YouTube.
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I apologize for my initial foaming-at-the-mouth reaction. Blame it on my horrible personality.
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Trust me it pissed me off when I saw it but I thought in a sad terrible way showed how a dogs drive overrides all types of pain. Thank you for the apology i took it down.
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That video shows nothing but a bunch of idiots watching a dog die. On topic, I health test and push my dogs physically to see what they have.
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I also health test and push my dogs.... Some times you get heart ache.... But imo its well worth it in the end.
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Tosas are fought even if they can barely stand up. Somehow they pull themselves together for enough time to do their thing. Absolutely, must do xrays to see where the hips and elbows are at before breeding. Many dogs can do well on poor hips, but their offspring might not be so lucky. I put my dogs in a 12 mile endurance trial, and run them regularly to make sure they have strong structure and good health. The majority of Tosa breeders think they have xray vision, and can tell if their dog is dysplastic LOL
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[quote1310135298=davidfitness83]I did the right thing and decided to get his hips xrayed and the results came out unsatisfactory. He never limped pulling or quit pulling yet he had this undergoing issue. [/quote1310135298] This is a conundrum that many of us face. If the dogs look healthy and work hard why do we then test it? In many instances such as yours, the modern test method (x-rays, etc) will cause us to remove an otherwise great dog from the working and breeding stock. I wonder if that is the best thing to do for the dog or the breed? I can guess that in times gone by the dog would continue to work until its body gave out and it was "retired." I support testing for breeding stock but also believe that the owner must make a judgement that balances out the test results. If a dog is fully functional and the x-rays show an unsatisfactory result it would be prudent to assess the total dog's functionality before pulling it from service. (offspring must be evaluated to see if the problems are passed on prior to placing or selling) It could be the work and muscles that gives it function. Anyway, this reply is not to take issue with what you or other do but to encourage others to keep the dog active as long as it is capable. Cheers.
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A dog with ill conformed hips is likely to break down earlier than a dog with normal hips. When they're young, arthritis hasn't set in yet. Most people breed dogs between 2 and 5, it's later in life where you see clinical signs. No way really to check 8 week old puppies for HD, it is a disease of development usually takes a few months for it to show up on xrays, or even clinical signs. A dog would have to be a superdog, practically perfect in every other way, to warrant breeding given poor hips. If mated to a dog with normal hips, you might be able to get away with it, can never tell for sure.
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