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My dog actually enjoys been wrestled - good or bad

To begin with, one cannot possibly apply the same behaviour to a normal dog and a Kavkaz or other shepherd dog due to the great difference in temperament, instincts,physical strength,intelligence,level of dominance and aggression etc. I am in favour of wrestling with your dog when PLAY is the idea and only as long as the owner is...built for this heavy task. Remember that your dog wants to play as it would in the pack BUT ALSO TESTS you and will do so often.Show obvious signs of weakness and play will no longer be play...Punish or injure your dog and play will no longer be play...Stick to smoothly wrestling him to the ground, patting him around or chasing each other in turns and that will be great for both. My early wrestling sessions were strange for me cause I thought my dog was angry or something but as years went by we both agreed to the rules of "wrestling" each other. I havent had the slightest scratch ever since. Lastly ,my dog also growls at times when I SPRINT next to him and used to jump on me when he was younger. In time and after I realised he was just getting excited and wanted to play I just ignored him or talked calmly to him and now he'll just bark (rarely} and keep running happily in front of me. I hope I've been of assistance!
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    • Dear Sir I am inclined to believe that my dog actually enjoys been wrestled. I reached this conclusion after observing the following behaviour: We set off on a walk, during which it rarely allows me to SPRINT alongside it which I find rather strange. When we return home, the dog is asked to sit and he wholeheartidly does so. As soon as it is set free it will start to bite and I will start to "wrestle" it into submission. When it no longer has the stamina to fight, he will become nice and calm again even licking my face and hands in utter serenity. I should also point out that its food can be removed even during a meal without it demonstrating the slightest sign of unwelcome behaviour. I am certain I can make my dog realise who the boss is by pinning him down to the ground and immobilising him etc BUT IS IT ADVISABLE EVEN IF I CAN ALWAYS ACHIEVE such "victory"? Could forceful play be a matter of age? Should I pet it less and become "a boss hard to please"? I am grateful for the reply and the actual chat itself... :) Thank you!
      • hello, I think there are quite a few factors which come into play(pun intended) when discussing the idea of wrestling with a dog. Most(not all) trainers that I have been in contact with seem to feel that wrestling with a dog is not a positive thing and should not be done ever. I agree with that sentiment to an extent. For example if you are using physical wrestling with your dog in order to assert control you have already lost that battle. You should be able to "lead" your dog and be the dominant member of the household "pack" without resorting to a physical display by actually BEING the leader. It is important to be able to control your dog this way because you cannot always have physical control over your dog due to your proximity or if the dog is off leash. At that point you need to be able to control the dog verbally. Additionally, I think it can damage the relationship between you and your dog if you are regularly attempting to force an "Alpha roll" and assert dominance. I think you run the risk of teaching your dog to fear you more than respect you as the leader. By being the leader I mean to say you are consistent in your rules and decision making and as well as things like eating first and being first through a doorway. My wife and I also do not let our Ovcharka on the furniture and especially no sleeping in the bed as this represents the higher members of the packs priveleged sleeping area. We also do not let the dog demand play or treats, we are the ones who intiate and end play, those things are the leaders decision to make. As far as wrestling as play I honestly think this depends on the dog, I have owned dogs who I could play rough and wrestle with and it did not get out of control or translate into any poor behavior in other areas. But clearly there are dogs (or humans) for who the rough play gets out of hand and a line is crossed. I am still undecided on this issue of wrestling as play, but with my current dog we do not wrestle, although we do play tug of war which is frowned on by some trainers and behaviorists so go figure. Sorry for rambling, my wife tells me I have tendency to do this. :D Chris
        • An snippet from Jerry Howe's WitsEnd Dog Training manual available at www.doggydoright.com - with permission. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover When your dog presents you with inappropriate displays of dominant behavior, many behaviorists, trainers, and veterinarians will recommend the Alpha Rollover as a remedy. WRONG! The Alpha Rollover as it is performed is a forceful, negative, punishing experience, administered by dogs and wolves, to dogs and wolves. Mimicked by humans, we are poorly equipped to fulfill the life and death reality expressed in nature, and this sets both man and beast up for another fall from grace. Who in their right mind is going to attempt to mimic the behavior of two dogs challenging each other aggressively for dominance in the pack hierarchy? And, if our human stooge does get the upper hand, what shall he do with the loser? Perhaps sink his teeth into the loser's throat, glaring and growling "No!" Perhaps he will remain in this posture until his poor, frightened little dog, belly up, flanks exposed, urinating all over, gets big enough to turn the tables? I've never seen this technique successfully done on a mature Great Dane or St. Bernard, although I have often seen the results in mature dogs that had this practice performed on them when they were little. They are the sorts that have problems only with the alpha in his life. Others are not considered a challenge worth confronting. Of course, you as a human, would be told to grab the sides of your dogs throat with both hands, force him onto his back, stare into his face, and growl "No!" until he goes limp into submission. While this is definitely a display of your dominance over him and in a language he can understand, it is perceived as a challenge, which makes this a very dangerous move that frequently backfires, inviting a sneak attack in retaliation at some point when the dog feels he has the upper hand. In nature, this challenge might go on every season, until the alpha is no longer able to continue this winning streak. Then, the former alpha goes off alone, or to the rear of the pack if he's lucky. Alpha Rollover >From watching mother dogs with their puppies, we have learned the correct way to use a different version of the Alpha Rollover as a way to cement the appropriate dominant/ submissive relationship between you and your dog. A mom dog, when allowed to raise her pups for several months, not just six weeks, will be seen standing over a resting puppy and chewing on the side of its neck, up behind the ears with her front teeth (as though flea-biting). Pups enjoy the affectionate encounter, and usually go belly up, relaxed and happy. She is saying, "I'm your elder, and because you respect my authority, I make you feel good." We humans can use the same technique and get the same results. Approach your dog when he is stretched out on his side, relaxed and content. Do not force him into this position, and don't startle him if he's asleep. Stand over him, bend down, and scratch him behind the ear. If he rolls over offering you his belly, that's all you need to do. Tell him he's a good boy, and walk off before he gets up. Mission accomplished! No force, no punishment, no negativity. Remember, your dog is going to model your behavior and act in kind. You set the standard for good behaviors by demonstration.
          • To begin with, one cannot possibly apply the same behaviour to a normal dog and a Kavkaz or other shepherd dog due to the great difference in temperament, instincts,physical strength,intelligence,level of dominance and aggression etc. I am in favour of wrestling with your dog when PLAY is the idea and only as long as the owner is...built for this heavy task. Remember that your dog wants to play as it would in the pack BUT ALSO TESTS you and will do so often.Show obvious signs of weakness and play will no longer be play...Punish or injure your dog and play will no longer be play...Stick to smoothly wrestling him to the ground, patting him around or chasing each other in turns and that will be great for both. My early wrestling sessions were strange for me cause I thought my dog was angry or something but as years went by we both agreed to the rules of "wrestling" each other. I havent had the slightest scratch ever since. Lastly ,my dog also growls at times when I SPRINT next to him and used to jump on me when he was younger. In time and after I realised he was just getting excited and wanted to play I just ignored him or talked calmly to him and now he'll just bark (rarely} and keep running happily in front of me. I hope I've been of assistance!
            • [quote=maximus]Dear Sir I am inclined to believe that my dog actually enjoys been wrestled.[/quote] Watching my 3 CO living inside very big yard as pack during 14 years I foud that till become very old they spent houres during nights playing. Playing alwais was simulating of hunting and fighting. Roles of dogs (1 dog and 2 bitches) was changing - not always Pack Leader was simulated to be winner - he was attacking, retreting and even bing down-dog - often. So - plaiyng changes common rules inside Pack... Plaing always included harsh manners. Also I found and tested that dogs get as "real" plaiyng when I was harsh with them. Only difficulties come when both of bitches begin "love season (do not knov English term)" at the same time - several examples bitches started endless, bloody, histerical and severe fighting (I newer seen among fighting males) - when I was to separate them by force and then to call doctor to help theirs wounds... Usual times both bitches were lovely and warm bings. But even during this atrosities I newer have seen that bitches enjure or try to injure other in the area of stomach (most dengerous) attaking zones of head, legs - so, there are some lows even during this principal fights. I explain this to show - what is REALLY harsh and painfull among dogs. Other really painfull for dogs is "beating" say with stone or wood - which can be done ONLY by human.
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