Interested in getting a CO
[quote=Bahamian]that limitation is their fight first mentality. [/quote]
Aside from the fact that you live in a warm/HOT climate, this, right here, is one MAJOR reason as to why you SHOULDN'T get a CO... ESPECAILLY one from working lines.
They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions as well as HIGHLY dog aggressive.
What are you planning on doing with the other 6 dogs you have?
Maybe I read it wrong and you meant to say you've had 6 pits previously?
Even so, I'd say that, if for no other reason than climate alone, you might want to check into Cane Corsos, Presas, Boerboels and a Filas instead of Caucasians.
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Hello and how are you doing? I am very interested in getting a Co in the future (hopefully in the not too distant future). I've been reaseraching about the breed for about a year now and I find them to be extremely interesting. What I like is that they are natural guard/protection dogs but what really impresses me is how fast and agile they are for their size. I want to get one to protect/guard my property and family. I've had pit bulls all my life (rite now six) to protect my place but although they keep all "unwanted" guest out and do a pretty decent job of protecting; they do have limitations. And that limitation is their fight first mentality. My two best guard dogs are two females but I could never keep them roaming the yard the same time because they would end up killing one another. I will be getting a new place soon and want a CO to guard it. My criteria for where I get my CO from are: It has to be reputable breeders The dog MUST come from working parents (not show parents) The parents must be genetically healthy I'm not too sure whats the difference between the Co and CAO but I like the really big ones that have the short muzzle that resemble a grizzly bear. I live in The Bahamas and it gets pretty warm here. The average annual temperature is 80 F but in the summer its regullary in the 90's (sometimes 95 or more). Can the CO handle this climate (take into consideration I'll keep it shave during these hot months)? Like I said I'm looking to get one in the future (hopefully next year sometime), so is there any where in N. America that has CO's that meet my criterias? I would like to get two eventually but I would like to start off with a male first. About how much would a male CO cost me including having it shipped to Florida (This is where I would go to get it to bring it to the Bahamas)? If there is anything else that you could posible tell me about CO's please feel free to. I'm always willing to learn more about this wonderfull breed. Thank you.
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[quote=Bahamian]that limitation is their fight first mentality. [/quote] Aside from the fact that you live in a warm/HOT climate, this, right here, is one MAJOR reason as to why you SHOULDN'T get a CO... ESPECAILLY one from working lines. They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions as well as HIGHLY dog aggressive. What are you planning on doing with the other 6 dogs you have? Maybe I read it wrong and you meant to say you've had 6 pits previously? Even so, I'd say that, if for no other reason than climate alone, you might want to check into Cane Corsos, Presas, Boerboels and a Filas instead of Caucasians. -
Xamen, I do still have the pits but I want the Co to protect a new property/building that I am getting. The Co WILL NOT be in the same place as the pits. I know I live in a hot climate that is why I said that I'll keep the Co shaved. Will this still be a problem? Thanks
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[quote=Xamen13] They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions .[/quote] Can you please explain this to me. Thanks
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[quote=Bahamian]Xamen, I do still have the pits but I want the Co to protect a new property/building that I am getting. The Co WILL NOT be in the same place as the pits. I know I live in a hot climate that is why I said that I'll keep the Co shaved. Will this still be a problem? Thanks[/quote] Buy a gun and learn how to use it.
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Tell me you are not serious about shaving your CO? It is not good for them at all. Their coat structure is climant resistant and can stand for harsh weather condidtion and if you are to cut CO's coat in your weather conditions the dogs skin will burn! The big coat is for protection in the winter and also from the sun! I don't recomend you to take Working line CO to protect you property because you don't have a glue how they behave and can you handle this dog. Any way these days people use dogs as pets and hire a security comapny to protect the house :)
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Shaving a dog's coat doesn't necessarily provide relief from the heat for a dog. When you shave a dog with a true coat like a CO, you remove the outer guard hairs which protect him from the sun and rain, which makes his coat wheather proof. I've seen these dogs in somewhat warmer climates, but not the tropical temperatures of your country. Even in these more tempid climates, plenty of shade and fresh water is needed to keep the dog from overheating. CO's are very dominant dogs, and often have issues with other dogs. The problem here would be IF one of your pitts were to happen to cross a CO, it would be very hard to prevent serious injury, as you know CO's are very large and their primary job is wolf/predator killing, then guarding. If you do get one, in my experience with any new breed you should start with a female, then get a male. I would look into Xamen's suggestions if you need a protection dog. If you have livestock that needs protection too, I would look into Kangals. Welcome and good luck!
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Yup, for livestock guarding in tropical climate Kangal would probablly be a god choice, even some strains of CAO, but not CO. I mean if you already want to shave it (wich isn't good), then you might as well consider a shortcoated breed.
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[quote=Bahamian"][quote="Xamen13] They can be VERY pre-emptive in their actions .[/quote] Can you please explain this to me. Thanks[/quote] Typically, CO's, no matter how much they respect you as an Alpha, will act on their instincts and intuition, regardless of what your want/don't want them to do. I'm not going to say that they will "act and ask questions later" because they WON'T. If they act, they will question it because at the time they felt what they did was justified for the situation. That mentality, on top of the fact that these are BIG dogs is a recipe for a dog that not many people can handle, or should even own, in my eyes. I'm not trying to deter you from getting one because of your ability to handle them. I have no knowledge of your abilities and experience with dogs. The main reason I'm trying to steer you away from COs is because of your climate. Here, I'll just say that Igmuska and ALeksa's posts are spot-on and you should heed their words as they both know what they're talking about and I would have made the same points as they did. :)
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I understand what everyone is saying and now I am realizing that shaving their coat is not a good idea. I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places. Now I want this Co to be guardian of a big property in which there will be no contact with the other dogs. I understand their strong nature and that they are big dogs but I've been breeding, raising, training dogs etc for the past 18 years (mostly pit bulls and recently Yorkshire terriers). So I do know a bit about dogs however, I will admit that I have never dealt with a breed as big as this. But I am truely looking forward to it because I find Co's to be amazing. Like I've also stated, there are still some things that I need to learn about the breed that is why I am not interested in really trying to get one until next year.
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[quote=Bahamian] I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places.[/quote] Have you seen CO breeders or owners in Palm Beach? Some of these places also have a winter climate, even if it is warmer. California does have slight frost in the winter and stays pretty mild in most areas (it's also a very large state with climates from hot desert to snow covered mountain ranges). The extremely hot areas are still no place for a CO. Most of the people who own these dogs in hotter climates in the US keep them as family companions and protectors, which usually means the dog does spend a lot of time indoors with air conditioning. If I remember correctly, the founder of this site gives all of his CO's acess to AC all summer, and he's in Virginia. Yes people in these climates have heavy coated dogs, but the risk of heat stroke is enormous. That's not a risk I would be willing to take. Like Aleksa said, try looking into a CAO of you are stuck on the "type". They often can handle a bigger range of temperatures and though are double coated, it is a shorter version.
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[quote=Igmuska"][quote="Bahamian] I've noticed that some CO's that live in California, Louisian, and Florida in the USA. These places have the same climate as my home. Actually my island is only 60 miles east of west palm beach Florida so I know that a CO can handle the climate here. Not to mention, due to the fact that I live on an island it is a cooler that those three places.[/quote] Have you seen CO breeders or owners in Palm Beach? Some of these places also have a winter climate, even if it is warmer. California does have slight frost in the winter and stays pretty mild in most areas (it's also a very large state with climates from hot desert to snow covered mountain ranges). The extremely hot areas are still no place for a CO. Most of the people who own these dogs in hotter climates in the US keep them as family companions and protectors, which usually means the dog does spend a lot of time indoors with air conditioning. If I remember correctly, the founder of this site gives all of his CO's acess to AC all summer, and he's in Virginia. Yes people in these climates have heavy coated dogs, but the risk of heat stroke is enormous. That's not a risk I would be willing to take. Like Aleksa said, try looking into a CAO of you are stuck on the "type". They often can handle a bigger range of temperatures and though are double coated, it is a shorter version.[/quote] There are Co owners not breeders in Florida. And like I said if they can handle the climate there I know they can handle it here bcause its a bit cooler because of the ocean breeze. Like I said, my island is exactly 60 mile east of west paalm beach Florida. Here is an example of my islands proximity to west palm beach: If "WPB" is west palm beach and "B" is The Bahamas in relation to it on a map, here is how close we are "WPB"-----------east ward (60 miles)--------- "I" So do you still think that this is a problem?
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[quote]Most of the people who own these dogs in hotter climates in the US keep them as family companions and protectors, which usually means the dog does spend a lot of time indoors with air conditioning.[/quote] It's your choice in the end. I wouldn't take the risk. I would get a breed that is more suited to a hotter climate.
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We think the CO is not best choice for you because in the area you live! I have a dog who has huge coat like CO and I live in Estonia where the winters are cold and summers are hot. Even she is suffering in summer time and thank god her coat is white not dark. I am always worried about her in summer time and thankfully we have a carage what stays cool in the summer and she hides there to get away from the heat. Are you willing to look at your dog sufering in big heat all the time?? It dose not matter if the place you live is just little bit cooler the fact is that it is hot in there and it is very hard for dog like CO to stand that.
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[quote=Bahamian] So do you still think that this is a problem?[/quote] Yes. The COs that live in Florida (and other areas with warm/hot) are most likely, as previously stated, living as COMPANIONS in houses with Air Conditioning... NOT working out in the hot sun and humidity all day long. If you're wanting a CO for guardian and protection work this is VERY MUCH not the breed for you, regardless of how much you admire them and would like one. Drop your pride and realize that if you were to get one, not only would it be unfair to the dog, but it could VERY well be a waste of your money when the dog dies of heat stroke before it's a year old. Listen to the advice given in this thread. You were asking for our advice and opinions and we're giving them to you. These people all know what they're talking about - because they have experience with COs or similar breeds. 8)
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Hello everyone, I would just like to thank every one who responded to me maturely and intelligently. Sinec you know much more about this breed than I do, I respect everything that was said. As a result, I've come to the conclusion that a CO would not be suitable due to the warm climate in my country. However, I still think they are the ultimate breed. Is there any other breed that someone can suggest that would be an excellent guard/protection dog for me? I would love something that has the same (or close to the same) intangibles as a CO but that would be able to thrive in The Bahamas. Thank you.
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[quote=Bahamian]I still think they are the ultimate breed. [/quote] Yes, they are an awesome dog!! 8) [blockquote] Is there any other breed that someone can suggest that would be an excellent guard/protection dog for me? I would love something that has the same (or close to the same) intangibles as a CO but that would be able to thrive in The Bahamas. Thank you.[/blockquote] As far as looks, and somewhat the same temperment, a shorter coated CAO can handle a higher range of climates. Also some that are even better for hot climates are Cane Corso, Presa, or the Fila. I've seen dogs in all these breeds that have excellent natural guarding instinct, though I've also seen a lot of "false" examples of these breeds as well (especially in the US). I think the Fila would definitely be worth a look! Good luck!
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Glad to hear you decided against it. You'll probably be a lot happier a breed that can tolerate your climate a bit better. :) All the breeds mentioned before would be great to look into. Let us know what you decide on... and *please* be sure to post some pictures whenever you end up getting it! :)
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Hello! I am breeding C.O., and my dogs are both working dogs and excellent show dogs. it is possible to do both these things with a C.O. I live in an area with a lot of wolves and bears and my dogs are doing a great job as LGD. I don't seee the problem with your hot temperature, because a C.O. accept both warm and cold weather. My dogs that I use for breeding are of course healthy. I wouldn't take away the coat, because the coat will protect the dog against the hot weather. Please remember that the dog sweats trough their tongue and their feet, not trough the coat. I live in Norway, so it will cost you some money to get one or two of my very promising puppies. I have been breeding C.O. for almost 10 years, 12 litters. Please e-mail me if you are interested.
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It is true that coat of CO is there to keep them isolated from sun too, but you just can not compare summers on Caucasus (or Norway) and on Bahamas. Summers on Caucasus can be very hot but don't forget that during summer nights temperature can be freezing, and that's not even close to place where our friend Bahamian lives, especially when you consider that there is almost no change in temperature during whole year, and there is very little difference in temperature during day and during the night. Not even to mention Caucasus winters, and CO is made for them.
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Ditto, Aleksa. I couldn't have said it better myself. :) [quote=Aud_Stokman]I don't seee the problem with your hot temperature, because a C.O. accept both warm and cold weather. My dogs that I use for breeding are of course healthy. I wouldn't take away the coat, because the coat will protect the dog against the hot weather. Please remember that the dog sweats trough their tongue and their feet, not trough the coat. I live in Norway, so it will cost you some money to get one or two of my very promising puppies. [/quote] In the wild, larger animals with thicker coats are typically found in colder regions whereas smaller animals with thinner coats (sometimes none at all) are found in warmer areas. Larger animals retain more body heat if for no other reason than their sheer mass. This in mind, having a smaller, thin coated dog would be the best option. However that's not what this person wants. So, for that, a large, short coated dog would be able to tolerate the climate fairly well. Either one of these would do MUCH better than a large dog with a thick coat. I'm curious about your opinion of "warm weather" as you're in Norway. My CO is usually inactive in the summer during the day as she's too hot. By the way, the Latitudes for Norway and Michigan (where I'm at) are: Michigan: 41º 41' N to 48º 15' N Norway: 62º 00´ N ...and the Lat. for the Bahamas ranges from around 21º N - 26º N.
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Xamen 13, I'm inthe most northern region of the Bahamas (I guesse lat 26). I agree that the summers here are alot different than the summers in Norway. And even though the yearly average temperature on my island is 80 deg. f; we do get as low as 40 degrees during our winters (believe it or not)! I have a question Xamen, property that I was hoping to put the CO on is HIGHLY shaded with ALOT of dense, tall trees. So the yard is FULL of cool shaded, breezy areas. So do you still think this will make it more feasable for me to have a CO?
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OK, at first I was reading the posts here but now I think I have to add something. Estonia where I live and Norway are part of Northen Europe, that means we get very cold winters (excellent for big coated dogs) and warm summers. Since I have no clue about F I will discribe the waether condition like this: summer 25-35 C and remember that summer last in these countrys only 3 months!!!! In this period the dogs don't move at all, only searchiing for place to hide the heat. My dogs go under the bushes or they are in the carage (it is nice and cool in there). Remmeber that this weather lasts here only for 3 months ands afther that is rain, wind, snow.... for 9 months. So keeping a CO in Estonia, Norway, Sweden where ever is a bit different than Bahamas, don't you think that?!?
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[blockquote]Xamen 13, I'm inthe most northern region of the Bahamas (I guesse lat 26). I agree that the summers here are alot different than the summers in Norway. And even though the yearly average temperature on my island is 80 deg. f; we do get as low as 40 degrees during our winters (believe it or not)! I have a question Xamen, property that I was hoping to put the CO on is HIGHLY shaded with ALOT of dense, tall trees. So the yard is FULL of cool shaded, breezy areas. So do you still think this will make it more feasable for me to have a CO?[/blockquote] For a WORKING dog, I'd say no, it doesn't help much. Again, if you were going to have one as a companion and personal/family guardian, I'd say this could work out quite well as there would be a good chance of them being in the house with Air Conditioning. However, if it's going to be outside all day, I think it might be a bit much for them in the summers. Even with all the shade and cool water, it's still quite warm when compared to the temperatures they were bred to work in. Also, remember that the shade doesn't help them deal with the humidity any better, either. You should (if you haven't already) check into some of the other breeds suggested earlier in this thread. You can find many of the same characteristics in many of them. :)
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Well. first of all, who of you have lived for many years with many C.O. in Norway, except me? Please tell me. :) I can tell you that last year my C.O. were working as LGD for 100 Cows an a 300 000 sq. m. big place. And they were woving in trot and galopp almost the whole time. It's "funny", but some people seems to think that they know everything, how thing works in other countries, even they haven't been there. In he opoositie to the most of you, I have real experience with working LGD in the summer time. And the same dogs are doing great as dog shows too. So, one more time, it's possible to have great dogs as LGD that also are doing great as show dogs, Best in Show and a lot of placements in the group. And I'm not talking about small club shows, but rather big shows, also Intenational shows.
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Norway's climate is still quite different from that of the Bahamas.
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[quote="Xamen13"]Norway's climate is still quite different from that of the Bahamas.[/quote] Yes, Thank God! :D But some of my point is that it's difficult to be sure about something for people who haven't any experience from the case. And as I said, I have a lot of experience from working C.O. also in the hot summer, and the C.O. have no problems wih that. But that's my C.O., may be other C.O. will react in another way. A very important thing, IMHO, is what the pup is used to from it was small pup. But even that, I could never live on Bahamas I think, but I am not a small pup either :o. I think I would die after one hour. But I'm not a C.O. :) I don't know anything about Bahamas, exept it's very warm there. Is there any lake or sea there? Here where I live we have only forest and then it seems to be rather warmer. I wish we had sea around here, real sea with salt wather. :D
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Aud Stockman, The Bahamas is an Island archipelego (made up of over 700 large islands and small cays). So the nearest beach from the inner most part of my island is ONLY about 7 minutes away (driving)! Now were I live at, the beach is only 7 minutes away (walking), so if I was to drive it will only take maybe 2 minutes!
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[blockquote] Aud Stokman, The Bahamas is an Island archipelego (made up of over 700 large islands and small cays). So the nearest beach from the inner most part of my island is ONLY about 7 minutes away (driving)! Now were I live at, the beach is only 7 minutes away (walking), so if I was to drive it will only take maybe 2 minutes! [/blockquote] Hi! I think that this make things very different, that you live that close to the beach. Because that will make the climate colder and better for the dog, even it's warm in the air. I don't know the F, but do you know how warm it would be in Celcius(C) ? It would be much easier if I knew that. What i know for sure is that the C.O. readjust him/her-self easy. And they do a great work as LGD even in warm weather. here in Norway we can have summer from May and out August, really warm summer. And as I told before, my C.O. are working even it's really warm in the weather. I have experience with this with my C.O., so I know for sure that this is true.
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[quote]Because that will make the climate colder and better for the dog, even it's warm in the air. [..] here in Norway we can have summer from May and out August[/quote]OK, this is getting silly now. What you call a good summer in Norway, we often experience in winter here in Texas. Consider the summers here similar to ... a Sauna. :lol: Since I have been in both places, the Bahamas as well as Norway, you have to believe me that there is a world of difference between the Gulf region and Scandinavia! You WILL need A/C for a CO to live through the summer in a (sub-)tropical climate. Dan
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Hi, I live in Norway with CO's, but I have also lived in the West Indies (Barbados, St. Vincent & The Grenadines) with dogs. I had pits and mix breeds with long and short coat. From my experience the dogs in the West Indies would find a shaded spot in the garden, dig into a little cool dirt and make themself comfortable while enjoying the breeze from the Passat trade winds. Now I lived on a hill sourrounded by rainforest, wich actually kept it quite cool, also during daytime. But if you live in open areas, or places with little or no breeze it could be a very different temperature. My point, I would have no problems keeping CO's in the area I lived in Vermont (Penniston Valley), St. Vincent, while most places in Barbados would make the dogs suffer from the heat. So really where and how you live in the Caribbean does make a difference. Compared to the Caribbean, Norway does not have summers, only two winters, one green, and one white :D Best regards, Cindy Andersen Http://home.no.net/cindya
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[blockquote]Compared to the Caribbean, Norway does not have summers, only two winters, one green, and one white [/blockquote]Bingo! :lol: Perfect comparison. :) Dan
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Is the beach of Bahamas and Caribbean the same? Sorry, I don't know, so I have to ask. And still noone have told me how many degrees C there is on the Bahamas close to the beach. May be it's better to get told the experience from people who have reeally experience with C.O. as LGD, also in the summer? When these dogs are at work, they do their job, the matter if it's warm or cold weather. They don't get lazy even it's warm weather outside.
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[quote=Aud_Stokman]Is the beach of Bahamas and Caribbean the same? Sorry, I don't know, so I have to ask. And still noone have told me how many degrees C there is on the Bahamas close to the beach.[/quote] Bahamas is an island in the Caribbean yes. I have been to Bahamas, and the temperature in Celcius degree vary between 20 and 35 C, same as St. Vincent, Barbados and other islands in the Caribbean. In the direkt sun, the temperature will increase and reach temperatures like in a sauna. As mentioned by others here, your experience with working CO in Norwegian summer are not possible to compare with working in tropical climate. When a person ask if a CO is suitable to live there, maybe someone with experience from both the Caribbean Islands and CO's would be the right person to answer too? Gary, what do you think, you have this experience also, would you keep CO's in for excample Jamaica? If so, do you think it would mean any special requirements, like aircondition etc.? Best regards, Cindy
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OK, so the beach of Bahamas is the same as other islands in Carribean. And the degrees in C is the same as we have here in Norway in the summer. So.............where is the problem then? I think that my experience is more than good enough. After all, I have a lot more than only a couple of C.O. :D And..........surprise..........they are all working dogs. :D :D
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[quote=Aud_Stokman]OK, so the beach of Bahamas is the same as other islands in Carribean. And the degrees in C is the same as we have here in Norway in the summer. So.............where is the problem then? I think that my experience is more than good enough. After all, I have a lot more than only a couple of C.O. :D And..........surprise..........they are all working dogs. :D :D[/quote] Are humidity levels the same? And what makes your dogs "working dogs"?
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[blockquote] Are humidity levels the same? And what makes your dogs "working dogs"?[/blockquote] Can you explane to me what your first sentence means? Sorry, but I did not understand it. As you propably know, the english language is my second language. My C.O. are working dogs because they are working as LGD, not working like dobermannn and GSD with IPO etc. I have sheep that live outdoor the whole year, and my C.O. are taking care of them and protect them against wolves and bears. Last summer they were also working as LGD for 100 cowes at a very big fenced are that were 300000sc. meeters. My sheep live in the forest from May to November together with my C.O. That's why I claim that my C.O. are working dogs. please tell me if you need further informations. :) They also protect my property and my other animals.
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[quote=cindyba] Gary, what do you think, you have this experience also, would you keep CO's in for excample Jamaica? If so, do you think it would mean any special requirements, like aircondition etc.? [/quote] Hi Cindy, I have been staying out of this discussion because to a great extent it is a personal choice for the owner. Would I have a CO in Jamaica? Yes I would if I lived on a large plot of land with lots of trees and water around. I do live in Virginia and we get summer temps over 100 F during Jul - Sep. During that time I keep my dogs in an airconditioned shed where the temp is about 75 F. When they are outside they dig significantly large holes in the shade places and lay in the cool dirt. If you have a nice pristine yard - it will be destroyed. Now that I have COs - they are the dogs for me regardless of where I end up living.. so if I lived in Jamaica now I would take my dogs there and make it work. They would have AC and ample shade and water - of course they probably would not put on a winter coat :) For Bahamian - if you would not mind another breed then look at the CAO - These dogs are from Central Asia and in that area they also get temperature extremes. You would get a significantly high level of protection with less possibility of heat problems. Also, the other breedes suggested for you are worth consideration. -
[quote=gsicard] Hi Cindy, I have been staying out of this discussion because to a great extent it is a personal choice for the owner. Would I have a CO in Jamaica? Yes I would if I lived on a large plot of land with lots of trees and water around. I do live in Virginia and we get summer temps over 100 F during Jul - Sep. During that time I keep my dogs in an airconditioned shed where the temp is about 75 F. When they are outside they dig significantly large holes in the shade places and lay in the cool dirt. If you have a nice pristine yard - it will be destroyed. Now that I have COs - they are the dogs for me regardless of where I end up living.. so if I lived in Jamaica now I would take my dogs there and make it work. They would have AC and ample shade and water - of course they probably would not put on a winter coat :)[/quote] Good answer Gary :D Certainly the choice of wich breed of dog a person want to buy is a personal matter. But since Bahamian is doing research into if the CO would be appropriate, it is good that CO owners with knowledge of keeping dogs in extreme temperatures are sharing their opinion also. To Bahamian, I can't see that anybody here have mentioned that there is also a shorthaired type of CO. If you check out this website: http://bpg.sytes.net/nagazi/bpg/default.asp you will find pictures and also information on this dogs. The owner of the mentioned site is also a member of molosserdogs. Best regards, Cindy B. Andersen
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Cindy, My Cleo is shorthaired but incindentally she has the thickest coat and sheds the most. Cleo is shortcoated, Julius is medium, Caeser and Shagi are long. Caesar and Shagi blows less coat than Cleo and Julius. What can we infer from that? My shorter coated dogs have thicker undercoats. I do know that Cleo likes to lay in the sun but when it gets above 100 F she spends all her time in the airconditioned shed except to come out and answer nature's call. So - getting a shorthaired CO may be the answer because when the undercoat is blown then they should stay cooler. Also the CAO may fit the bill because of the shorter coat and the highly tuned guarding abilities. Anyway - Bahamian, good luck with your research. In my opinion it is quite possible to keep a CO in the Bahamas although it will not have the highest quality of life because of the environment. With some planning and preparation it is possible. However, since it would be your first CO you may may wish to reconsider and find a more temperate guardian.
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Hello! This was the first thread I read.... So, these are my thoughts: You only talked about the weather-conditions this dog will have to deal with. My first thought was "What will be the life, this dog has to deal with?" He can´t come to the home of the new owner, because of the 6 other dogs. He will not have a companion, he will not have a family. Just a "job" in the heat...... For one of my dogs this would be far to little for a happy life. Just my 2 cents. Claudia
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[quote=claudiawyr]Hello! This was the first thread I read.... So, these are my thoughts: You only talked about the weather-conditions this dog will have to deal with. My first thought was "What will be the life, this dog has to deal with?" He can´t come to the home of the new owner, because of the 6 other dogs. He will not have a companion, he will not have a family. Just a "job" in the heat...... For one of my dogs this would be far to little for a happy life. Just my 2 cents.[/quote] I agree with you, to be alone from the age of little pup may be too boring. He should bougt two pups for this situation. That's my opinion. And two dogs will do a better job than one dog.
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I would like to thank everyone that has replied to my thread so far. Some of your advice/opinions have been great. Yes I know its a bit warmer here in The Bahamas so I will have to take precaution(s) with a CO. I also agree with the fact that I should get two instead of one so that they can be companion for one another. I also agree that I should try to find a short hair/coat CO, but I feel that once I get them at a young enough age they would "adapt" and thus not produce such a thick coat. But I am still researching the breed and I will take my time doing this because I need/ want to know "EVERYTHING" that there is to know about this breed before I get them. I know some of you have suggested other breeds that I should consider getting instead of a CO, but the more I learn about this breed; the more I am fascinated with its ability to protect me and my family. So I really don't see no other option than the CO at this time. But again, I want to thank everyone that has responded to me.
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Hi Bahamian The coat issue on the CO in the hotter climates. I have friends that are TM breeders and some have placed pups in Guatamala and other south American counrties and have done well. I also know of some TM's that are in Mexico. Hope that helps you.
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[quote=LOLA]Hi Bahamian The coat issue on the CO in the hotter climates. I have friends that are TM breeders and some have placed pups in Guatamala and other south American counrties and have done well. I also know of some TM's that are in Mexico. Hope that helps you.[/quote] Hi Lola, what is a TM?
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TM is the [url=http://www.molosserdogs.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=1103]Tibetan Mastiff[/url]
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Hello EVERYONE!
Its been a while. I got two Co's last year (they were a birthday present to my self). They were born in March, 2012. I got them in May 2012. They came from a Russian breeder; thus they came from Russia.
A member here (Yelena), was instrumental in helping me get them. On top of that, she has helped me tremendously in raising them. I truly appreciate everything she has done for me. Thanks again.
They have done VERY well in the climate here. They have tons of shade, along with a pool to wade in on hotter days.
To say they are everything I thought they would be and more, is a gross understatement!
They are now a year and 9 months old. The male's name is Yasha and the female is Sezja. They are litter mate brother/sister.
What do you guys think?
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Very beautiful dogs. I am very interested in having a alabai. I was just wondering how much excersize do your COs need. Cause I read on here an article named CAO care and it said they need 4 and a half hour of excersize. Or is that just for people who live in apartments? I have 4 acres of strong chain link. I am looking to use him for animal deterrent and guard dog. So if I have four acres would I need to walk him for 3 90 min walks like it said.(which is equal to 4 1/2 hours)
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If he has the full run of your property he will be fine. They do not need forced exercise but will get enough running around your property mostly at night when they are very active. Good luck.
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What do you guys think?
I think you got some very nice Caucasian Ovcharkas. They look like very good representatives of the breed. Congratulations.
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