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How to encourage or teach a full bite?

These foundation skills can be started on puppies as young as eight weeks old.-fyi If it was me get yourself a burlap sack. Burlap has nearly the same texture as bite sleeves used in training. Wave the sack close to your dog and encourage him to bite it. High praise when he does. Let go of the sack as soon as your dog bites on it. Allow him to “win” and take control of the sack. Biting the sack is the action you want from the dog, to take and allowing him to win and to control the sack helps build confidence and encourages a firm, full-mouthed bite from your green dog. Continue playing with him and the burlap sack until he willingly bites on it with a full, hard grip. Remember to Always allow him to take control of the sack and win the game, so that he is continually encouraged to keep biting. With you toy I would like to see it first, before giving advice. But the best one I can give you is to take him to a trainer and allow them to teach the proper bite. The way Bernie is biting common for a green dog, some are born with the know how, but most need to be taught. Best thing I can mention is holding it still and not moving until your dog has taken hold with the bite you are looking for. Hope this helps!
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  • I got a nifty little tug which is very similar to those people use when they reward dogs in sleeve training. However, now that I am building my dog's confidence and bite drive. I wanted to know how can I teach him to bite the tug fully and not only using the front? Is this even possible?
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    • These foundation skills can be started on puppies as young as eight weeks old.-fyi If it was me get yourself a burlap sack. Burlap has nearly the same texture as bite sleeves used in training. Wave the sack close to your dog and encourage him to bite it. High praise when he does. Let go of the sack as soon as your dog bites on it. Allow him to “win” and take control of the sack. Biting the sack is the action you want from the dog, to take and allowing him to win and to control the sack helps build confidence and encourages a firm, full-mouthed bite from your green dog. Continue playing with him and the burlap sack until he willingly bites on it with a full, hard grip. Remember to Always allow him to take control of the sack and win the game, so that he is continually encouraged to keep biting. With you toy I would like to see it first, before giving advice. But the best one I can give you is to take him to a trainer and allow them to teach the proper bite. The way Bernie is biting common for a green dog, some are born with the know how, but most need to be taught. Best thing I can mention is holding it still and not moving until your dog has taken hold with the bite you are looking for. Hope this helps!
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      • Thanks Jessica you are the best :) I have been letting him win every time and I really amp him up to get it, sort of like agitating him to get it. I guess he is learning that it is a game and he can be rough with it since he is very submissive and respects me. I like the idea of the burlap sack I am going to look into getting some. By the way, there is no way he will break a tooth or something with that material right lol? You can see the toy bellow, it is made of burlap I believe and it has a handle. I was letting him chew on it a little to get him to want it. PS Dont mind his new out and about gentleman collar :)
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        • I Like the Collar~Very Nice!!! Don't let him chew on that too much, or he will ruin in, most rip the handle off that then start to unravel it-lol. Imo-Any toys used for training should be kept as such, so that they are "special".
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          • Bernie has a phd in toy surgery, he will dismantle anything within seconds lol I let him chew on it for a few seconds to let him get pumped but I put all this tug toys away or he would eat them and get blockage lol
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            • Roll the burlap into a tube like the one he has and tie it, I put a 6-8 foot lead on it as well, I use paracord. If he doesn't want to tug with you because he's submitting to his owner, get him tugging and then give him so distance down the line so he is more comfortable tugging. I've also found pups are more comfortable, and clearer on the fact that it's a game if your in a less dominant position, usually I just sit on the ground and play tug, until they get that I'm trying to play not trying to take it.
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              • My issue is that he is 2 years old so he is really not a pupy so we are starting this late. He still acts like one but he is becoming more and more dominant with strangers. I want to add tugging as an exercise and lately I started taking a different approach and he ripped the spring pole in half so I figured he is getting into it. I think now that he is getting older he is gaining more confidence and it is easier to get him to do it. he outs very nicely but I am not working on that right because he is so obedient I just want him to get obssessed with it.
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                • One thing that I use to develop a dogs prey is on tugs is, like babigirl said. Play with the tug only when he's in high drive and keep him in high drive let him win, and when he's at his highest point of drive and excitement, put it away and give lots of praise. Always leave him wanting more, if you let him play and chew until he gets bored he won't be as interested next time. If you leave him wanting more he'll be that much more excited next time.
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                  • First...develop an understanding as to WHY a dog bites full and why a dog bites frontal. Get the dog to COMMIT to the bite with an open mouth for starters. Do this by denying the bite a time or two by pulling the tug out of the way when the dog goes for it...but meanwhile praising the dog so the dog doesn't see it as a denial, but instead as a fleeing prey item. This will help motivate the dog to open its mouth more by stimulating prey drive. It is prey drive that creates a full bite. Additionally, teach the dog to counter when the bite isn't full. This can be done with a little shake, twitch, and pause of the item...but requires technique. When the dog counters, reward with a little shake and then let the dog win followed up with some praise.
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                    • are you planning on evenatually doing PP work with your dog?
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                      • Lee I think you mistyped and meant Pull the tug out of the way, rather than pull the dog out of the way.
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                        • Yes...I fixed it. Thanks.
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                          • [quote1316904036=davidfitness83] My issue is that he is 2 years old so he is really not a pupy so we are starting this late. He still acts like one but he is becoming more and more dominant with strangers. I want to add tugging as an exercise and lately I started taking a different approach and he ripped the spring pole in half so I figured he is getting into it. I think now that he is getting older he is gaining more confidence and it is easier to get him to do it. he outs very nicely but I am not working on that right because he is so obedient I just want him to get obssessed with it. [/quote1316904036] Yes I would say getting him to a point where he's obsessed with it is a good thing. Not only in terms of tug but also in terms of further training and teaching focus. My pit has learned to wait for as long as I want him to, but the second I say "get it" he's full on til I snap my finger and he immediately drops it. I've also been able to run scenarios by setting up obstacles, making him stay in a spot, then going to another part of the house and yelling "get it". He's flown into me a couple times when he's run full blast trying to get to it, but at least I know his drive is there:) Bernie looks like he would be quite formidable btw if he were to commit to a target I'm sure he'd give them a good fight.
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                            • [quote1317126612=cawkazn] are you planning on evenatually doing PP work with your dog? [/quote1317126612] I dont think he has the right hardware for it, If he had good hips I would compete in a sport like schutzhund to keep him in shape. I just want to add another exercise to his work out regimen.
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                              • [quote1317126703=LeeRobinson] First...develop an understanding as to WHY a dog bites full and why a dog bites frontal. Get the dog to COMMIT to the bite with an open mouth for starters. Do this by denying the bite a time or two by pulling the tug out of the way when the dog goes for it...but meanwhile praising the dog so the dog doesn't see it as a denial, but instead as a fleeing prey item. This will help motivate the dog to open its mouth more by stimulating prey drive. It is prey drive that creates a full bite. Additionally, teach the dog to counter when the bite isn't full. This can be done with a little shake, twitch, and pause of the item...but requires technique. When the dog counters, reward with a little shake and then let the dog win followed up with some praise. [/quote1317126703] I am going to to do some work with him and maybe have the wife video tape it so you guys can critique it for me.
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                                • [quote1317126744=MidgardKennels] One thing that I use to develop a dogs prey is on tugs is, like babigirl said. Play with the tug only when he's in high drive and keep him in high drive let him win, and when he's at his highest point of drive and excitement, put it away and give lots of praise. Always leave him wanting more, if you let him play and chew until he gets bored he won't be as interested next time. If you leave him wanting more he'll be that much more excited next time. [/quote1317126744] Thank you for the tips, I will keep trying to get it going. I will try to shoot some footage, honestly he is not the most bite driven dog but I want to see how much I can build it up.
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                                  • [quote1317126814=theoneneo] [quote1316904036=davidfitness83] My issue is that he is 2 years old so he is really not a pupy so we are starting this late. He still acts like one but he is becoming more and more dominant with strangers. I want to add tugging as an exercise and lately I started taking a different approach and he ripped the spring pole in half so I figured he is getting into it. I think now that he is getting older he is gaining more confidence and it is easier to get him to do it. he outs very nicely but I am not working on that right because he is so obedient I just want him to get obssessed with it. [/quote1316904036] Yes I would say getting him to a point where he's obsessed with it is a good thing. Not only in terms of tug but also in terms of further training and teaching focus. My pit has learned to wait for as long as I want him to, but the second I say "get it" he's full on til I snap my finger and he immediately drops it. I've also been able to run scenarios by setting up obstacles, making him stay in a spot, then going to another part of the house and yelling "get it". He's flown into me a couple times when he's run full blast trying to get to it, but at least I know his drive is there:) Bernie looks like he would be quite formidable btw if he were to commit to a target I'm sure he'd give them a good fight. [/quote1317126814] I don't think he would ever do something unless someone is actually trying to hurt my wife. His temperament is very easy going and he is very confident around strangers. At night he becomes protective and doesn't like to hear noise around the yard. Someone was teasing the dog across the street making noises at it and I actually caught some of the video of him barking at them. I have never seen him act like this during the day only at night.
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                                    • [quote1317568735=davidfitness83] [quote1317126612=cawkazn] are you planning on evenatually doing PP work with your dog? [/quote1317126612] I dont think he has the right hardware for it, If he had good hips I would compete in a sport like schutzhund to keep him in shape. I just want to add another exercise to his work out regimen. [/quote1317568735] it wouldnt be a bad idea, not for him to become champion schutzhound trial dog of the year or compete or anything. But maybe just for a just in case type scenario I would figure it couldnt hurt for him to at least have a little experience doing it.
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                                      • [quote1317568861=davidfitness83] [quote1317126814=theoneneo] [quote1316904036=davidfitness83] My issue is that he is 2 years old so he is really not a pupy so we are starting this late. He still acts like one but he is becoming more and more dominant with strangers. I want to add tugging as an exercise and lately I started taking a different approach and he ripped the spring pole in half so I figured he is getting into it. I think now that he is getting older he is gaining more confidence and it is easier to get him to do it. he outs very nicely but I am not working on that right because he is so obedient I just want him to get obssessed with it. [/quote1316904036] Yes I would say getting him to a point where he's obsessed with it is a good thing. Not only in terms of tug but also in terms of further training and teaching focus. My pit has learned to wait for as long as I want him to, but the second I say "get it" he's full on til I snap my finger and he immediately drops it. I've also been able to run scenarios by setting up obstacles, making him stay in a spot, then going to another part of the house and yelling "get it". He's flown into me a couple times when he's run full blast trying to get to it, but at least I know his drive is there:) Bernie looks like he would be quite formidable btw if he were to commit to a target I'm sure he'd give them a good fight. [/quote1317126814] I don't think he would ever do something unless someone is actually trying to hurt my wife. His temperament is very easy going and he is very confident around strangers. At night he becomes protective and doesn't like to hear noise around the yard. Someone was teasing the dog across the street making noises at it and I actually caught some of the video of him barking at them. I have never seen him act like this during the day only at night. [/quote1317568861] its weird how dogs can be overprotective of the women in the "pack". The dog in my pic is fine with strangers if its me my wife and him go walking, but if its my wife by herself he wont allow anyone close to her, especially men.
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