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Kangal Videos

Please excuse my sincerity , but what in these videos make the dogs "awesome" ? I thought that it would be about Kangal peforming their duties as livestock guardians , but end up with dogs at a show. IMO an awesome Kangal is a working one, and Im not saying those arent capable working dogs, but I really saw nothing spectacular about them. There is much more to a dog than that... Not trying to offend anyone ,just expressing my thoughts.
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  • Found a couple of cool videos on Montana's website.. [url=http://www.kangaldogs.nl/films/kangalsfilm1.WMV]Video one[/url] [url=http://www.kangaldogs.nl/films/kangalsfilm2.WMV]Video two[/url] Shows some awesome Kangal's.
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    • Please excuse my sincerity , but what in these videos make the dogs "awesome" ? I thought that it would be about Kangal peforming their duties as livestock guardians , but end up with dogs at a show. IMO an awesome Kangal is a working one, and Im not saying those arent capable working dogs, but I really saw nothing spectacular about them. There is much more to a dog than that... Not trying to offend anyone ,just expressing my thoughts.
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      • Hi Tiago, I am thinking that the deeper meaning in awesome kangals could be their enormes size. What I saw were some really awesome kangals. These were REAL dogs. Huge, looked like they had a god temper and very healthy. That kind of kangals I want to see more of. I saw some in the gallery. They didn't really look healthy and too thin. This is just what I think and I can be wrong about it.
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        • Gotcha Charlotte . Thanks.
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          • I like almost any dog video i can watch :D Thanks Gary, Does anyone know if the original location for the Kangal is acurate on this picture? http://www.turkishdogs.com/classification.html I dont remember where i read that it was with the Russian border. Thanks.
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            • [blockquote]I like almost any dog video i can watch [/blockquote] So do I, thanks Gary! And ObedM, if you really like almost any dog video you can catch - then you can catch 25 tiny videos at: [url=http://www.mastin-espanol.dk/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=27] Mastín Videos[/url] :P Not Kangals....but 'dogs' :D In case someone should pay a visit to see them, and you are not able to see some of the video clips, I would be greatfull for your feedback :)
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              • [quote=ObedM] Does anyone know if the original location for the Kangal is acurate on this picture? http://www.turkishdogs.com/classification.html I dont remember where i read that it was with the Russian border. [/quote] The map is accurate. You might be thinking of the Kars Dog, which is from the north-eastern part of Turkey, close to the border you're referring to.
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                • Thanks Wolf. I read on that site that they are breeding Kangals in the US. I wonder if they are as good as the ones from Turki. I wonder if they are going to come out with an AK "American Kangal" Saludos.
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                  • http://www.cumhuriyet.edu.tr/sivas/kangaldog/tanitim_filmi/ http://www.sivas.gov.tr/kangal/film.htm For kangal (in nature) videos you can try this site and click on [u]tanitim filmi download[/u] I dont know if its gona play? This year in a Ankara Oyaca Haymana kasabasi and Istanbul Purina dog Show i made not only pictures but good sharp digital video recordings. W.k.greetings Sonmezer
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                    • Hi, I have seen the movie Sonmezer made.(a couple of times,could not get enough)The most beautiful dogs I have ever seen!!! Sonmezer......you should bring it out on the market!!!! Yvette
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                      • Hey Sonmezer These videos are awesome.. Thanks for sharing.. :D Char
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                        • Great Videos, Thanks for sharing :D Best regards, Cindy
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                          • This year in may05 I was in Ankara and Istanbul. I made a digital movie from the Istanbul Purina Dog show with every dog breed. In Ankara (Oyaca Haymana Village 60km from Ankara) i made some Kangal at work recordings. Kangal is not only in Sivas Kangal village? From the Turkish breed i recorded not only the Kangal but Akbas, Turkish Tazi (Saluki look a like?) and one Kars dog. The dogs in Ankara are from one of the best ore the best Kangal, Akbas breeder a good friend where i was gast for 2 days, he breeds know Turkish Tazi's to his name Onur Kanli...by the way he makes perfect and very very tastefull barbecue :roll: :D I shall look how i could shere it with you on this site... Uhhhh.. its costs € 25,- for one minuth of the movie :D :D Joke..... W.K.Greetings M Sonmezer Holland / Turkey
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                            • ON THE TRAINING OF KANGAL DOGS Kangals can be trained by both methods of operant conditioning and Pavlovan conditioning because working with the human being has been asked from them on specific areas for a very short time period. Due to this fact, they are behind other dog breeds in this respect. However, they can be advanced through conscious production. Can not Kangals be trained now? Of course they can be, very well indeed, provided that tests are applied by the right people and they are trained by correct training methods for necessary period of time. I got varying results to the tests I applied on Kangals all around Anatolia but dogs in the close neigbourhood reacted similarly. Tests I made are on protection, the desire to work with humans, obedience, such tests that are world wide acceped and applied. For example, pack protective dogs that are from pack herding families got above average points from obedience tests. They got lower points from protection tests. Dogs that sometimes go with the pack and somatimes protect the household got higher points from protection tests, they were also successful on obedience tests. Why? These dogs were unleashed only on working time and were shown close interest at those moments. But the situation is different whe it comes to Kangals kept for pack protection. These dogs were kept in barn like places away from humans after they come back from their work, because of this they had problems in following the orders given them when they came in contact with people. One thing must not be forgotten, all the dogs I tested are purebred Kangals, not any mixed dogs. I infer that dogs are in this condition now because during their natural selection they were not in close relationship with humans and today's demands fron dogs were not present then. This is however a genetic situation but fenotypical conditions can cause changes in genotypes. Researchers called Stoodengow and Canike have proven that in order to train mice to get accustomed to their feeding time 300 signals were given to the first generation, 100 signals to the second generation and only 1 signal was enough for the 35th generation. This in a way proves my view that heritage is an important factor that affects training, learning and the desire and talent to obey. Living conditions, genetics, functions and human's interest to dogs have made me to divide them into groups. 1st Group: Dogs that have only pack protected for at least 3 generations. 2nd Group: Dogs that have only pack protected for at least 3 generations and that have been kept under leash except for working time near the household and kept in moderate relation with family members 3rd Group: Dogs that have protected land or home and in close relation with family members. A total number of 4 test have been applied to1220 purebred Kangal Dogs. These tests have been carried out in Anatolia on the natural living conditions of the dogs. Test 1: Guard against humans at the terrain or while leading the pack. (250 Dogs) Test 2: Guard against other animals such as; dog, wolf, fox, jackal and pigs in case of an attack to the pack or to the terrain, this does not mean wolf or fox chase. (400 Dogs) Test 3: Guard against strangers when its owner or the shepherd is present and the dog has the collar on. (170 Dogs) Test 4: Guard against other animals when its owner or the shepherd is present and the dog has the collar on. (400 Dogs) TEST 1 (250 DOGS) 1st Group, (80 Dogs) Group A: (%20) these dogs are able to guard clearly. Group B: ( %30) these dogs can guard with professional training. Group C: (%40) these dogs can guard when its owner or the shepherd is present. Group D: (%10) these dogs have no capacity to guard. 2nd Group, (100 Dogs) Group A: (%50) these dogs are able to guard. Group B: (%30) these dogs can guard with professional training. Group C: (%15) these dogs can guard when its owner or the shepherd is present. Group D: (%5) these dogs have no capacity to guard. 3rd Group, (70 Dogs) Group A: (%70) these dogs are able to guard. Group B: (%20) these dogs can guard with professional training. Group C: (%15) these dogs can guard when its owner or the shepherd is present. Group D: (%5) these dogs have no capacity to guard. TEST 2 (400 DOGS) 1st Group Group A: (%95) these dogs attact other animals directly. Group B: ( %3) these dogs attact other animals. Group C: (%2) these dogs guard only when its owner or the shepherd courages it to do so. 2nd Group Group A: (%85) these dogs react and guard immediately. Group B: (%10) these dogs guard when there is group reaction. Group C: (%5) these dogs guard only when its owner or the shepherd courages it to do so. 3rd Group Group A: (%75) these dogs guard directly. Group B: (%20) these dogs guard when there is group reaction. Group C: (%5) these dogs when its owner or the shepherd courages it to do so. TEST 3 (170 DOGS) 1st Group Group A: (%10) these dogs guard directly. Group B: ( %30) these dogs guard with professional training. Group C: (%60) these dogs prefer not to guard in this way. 2nd Group Group A: (%30) these dogs guard directly. Group B: (%50) these dogs guard with professional training. Group C: (%20) these dogs do not guard this way. 3rd Group Group A: (%50) these dogs guard directly. Group B: (%30) these dogs guard with professional training. Group C: (%20) these dogs do not guard this way. TEST 4 (400 DOGS) 1st Group Group A: (%50) these dogs guard directly. Group B: ( %30) these dogs guard with professional training. Group C: (%20) these dogs do not guard until the latest moment. 2nd Group Group A: (%80) these dogs guard directly. Group B: (%15) these dogs guard with the help of its owner. Group C: (%5) these dogs do not guard until the latest moment. 3rd Group Group A: (%60) these dogs guard directly. Group B: (%30) these dogs guard with the help of its owner. Group C: (%10) these dogs do not guard until the latest moment. Kangals and Obedience (50 Dogs) 1st Group-15 dogs; these socialized dogs do not volunteer to obey even though they work with the collar. 2nd Group-15 dogs; these dogs are prone to working with the collar but one must deal with them very patiently. 3rd Group- 20 dogs; these dogs are interested in obeying the commands with enthusiasm but one must deal with them with great care. Ozcan Erturk, a business man who ownes many dogs and sheep and whose family deals with livestock production for many generations, has helped me to get to these information by making me go and observe the dogs in their natural living conditions. In my opinion perro de presa canary dogs are the best man stopper dogs in the world, see www.red-star-kennel.com . Presa canary dogs are superior to german shepherd dogs and dobermans which are known as world's best watch dogs in the sense that their desire to explore the terrain and get it under its own control and also their ability to think and decide on their own is higher than other breeds. However Kangal Dogs are superior to these dogs that they are faster, grater and more agile from them. They are very devoted, loyal and compatible towards their owner. My aim in this article is to prove that Kangals are not only herding dogs but also family and guard dogs. I am constantly advancing my researches and I will always share them with you. POWERDOGS TRAİNİNG SYSTEMS (MY TRAİNİNG SERVİCES) P-1; BASİC OBEDİENCE TRAİNİNG; Strapped obedience training is basic obedience training.it is the first step of lots of training systems.sit, down,stand,come,heel,(always looking at the person walking on the left side not passing him.)near ,staydown,stay sit,brawo,no,includingthis kind of statements.it' usually better to be given the dogs upper then 6 months .normally it last 7 days (without problems with the new techniques and for non trained dogs)and all the dogs have to get this training.for having this training not also its psychology bu also its health is important.after this training the dogs learnes to take one speech order strapped in every condition.before this training the working passion and reactions to out side (accept his owner). P-2; ADVANCED OBEDİENCE TRAİNİNG: Not strappet obedience training is advanced obedience training.it includes all of the orders in basic obedience training, but the advanced one.there is no age limit but it is prefferred to be given until the age of 1.with this training the dog learnes to obey every rule in every condititon without a strap.for taking this training you have to do some tests to the dog. (obedience ,passion of working with people and sociality.)but also the owner needs a talent to give orders to the dog.it needs too much responsibility and high attention to control the dog without a strap.it's not only used used in racecource but also in streets in parks .it's more easier to give a training for racecources.but its too much difficult to give the training for social life.in real life the dogs has to be trained in parks streets without strap and until the error portion is the lowest ,the dog continius the training.training but truely it is given by a few people. P-3; STANDART PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG: After the basic obedience training ,its the first protection training .its prefferred to be given after the age of one.for taking this training the dog had the pass the protection tests .this training is based on the idea to make the dog attack and leave the badman with the right orders.also in this training according to the talent of the dog there can be an otomaticall protection for unknown attacks.this training and it only works when its owner or handler is near with it. P-4; PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG 1: İn this training the dogs is experienced the special situations or dangers that it can face.it takes person protection ,food denial,.trainings .its strapped training. P-5; PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG 2; İn this training the dog learns to eliminate attack more than one poeple near its owner and the owner learnes to behave with his dog and direct his dog .its strapped training. P-6; PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG 3: İn this training when the dog is for away from its owner with the orders it comes near its owner aand protects him.in the attack time he eliminates the badman.its without strap training. P-7; PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG 4; İn this training the dogs has the experience that when it is for away from its owner he it can see the badman or danger that can attack its owner with one order and learnes to identify and eliminate the danger or badman with directions .it is a without strap training. P-8; PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG 5; İn this training when the dog is for away from its owner or unseen attacked with direction it can make two or more dangers or badmans leave its owner alone.its a without strap training. P-9; SOCALİZİON TRAİNİNG : İn this training when the dog is awoided from the reactions to out side events like another dog cat cars etc. Every type of living or nonliving things.(aggression,fear,game passion)to take this training The dog used to have basic training before.there is no age limit but the dogs that have psychological problems must have a rehabilitation before taking this training. P-10; FOD DENİAL TRAİNİNG; Most of the dogs lovers have the problem with their dog of its eating some unknown materials from streets .in this training its tought not to eat anything without the direction from the owner for the use of training the owner most follow the rules as the trainer gave him. P-11; SPECİAL DİFFİCULTİES EXEEDİNG TRAİNİNG; This training teaches your dog to jump from walls,to get in cars easily to climb stairs easily with you or alone.it makes your going with your dog every where much more easier. P-12; CAR TRİPPİNG HARMONY TRAİNİNG; Avoiding to get in the car or while tripping being uncomfortable by your dog can be removed with this training. P-13; DEVELOPİNG YOUR DOGS TRAİNİNG PROGRAM; This program is based on developing your dogs training given before or taking it to upper levels To make your dog ready for on advanced training.during this programme you'll see lots of teorical Or practical lessons to make a better connection between yoğu and your dog. P-14; DEVELOPİNG RUNNİNG AND WALKİNG PHSİYAL FİTNESS PROGRAMME; Because of fitness or not walking sometimes dogs dont want to walk like you.or play like other dogs. This programme is for reaching max performance about its age and type with special in a forest. İn this programme proffesional sprinters programme is based dog metabolism and can take away a lot of nonsense agression and problems away. P-15; WEİGHT GAİNİNG AND LOSİNG PROGRAMME; İn this this programme fat dogs lose weight and thin are one gain weight until their ideal weight .by taking your dog in a professional fooding and exercise programme we make your dog reach its ideal weight and it is also important with its health. P-16; BODY BUİLDİNG(MUSCLE DEVELOPİNG AND RAİSİNG)PROGRAMME; This programme is just like people bodybuildings but is composed for dogs.professional body building sporters programme is modyfied in dogs.why muscle developing programme? For a making a high protector sporter with more powered and raised body dog.also this programme Makes your dog self-convinient and more healthy like people as being stong to cold... etc.it is true that your dog will live much much more longer. P-17; WEİGHT PULLİNG; Dogs pulling and jaw pressing is different by their types and power.this programme provides weak jaw dogs having more powerfull jaws and the dogs having low pulling power will have a higher performance .for sure it is wrong talking about low performanced dogs.it makes the powerull ones more powerfull.so in this programme how much power does the dog developes? İts due the dogs passion of working in exercises and shapes of its muscles.dogs are trained in order Of the rules of İWPA (İNTERNATİONAL WEİGHT PULLİNG ASSİOCATİON) it also helps the dogs To stop and eliminate the badman immediately.(for protection dogs) Only the dogs wichh passes the test and have a perfect obedience coun have this programme. P-18; AREA PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG; This training is one of the must difficult trainings.because the dog itself or with other dogs must protect the area.(garden,fabrich.... etc)alone without it or their owners.from the dangers coming from outside never taking food from stranger ,never eating from street never fearing from any kind of weaphon but protecting the area is a perfect area protection .the dog has to pass the tests before joining this programe. P-19; DUTY DOG TRAİNİNG(WİTH SOMEONE); This programme is going on duty with someone around on area that needs protection and not attacking unless having on order from the people near (like around a fabrich or around a hause).in case of danger the dogs woens it owner as told or in its way for higher performance the dog must be on duty for several hours and be rested after duty also if duty times the dog must be rested in asilent area and its owner should give him enough attention.the dog better be trained at nights for nights duties. P-20; DUTY DOG TRAİNİNG; İn this training the dog learnes to protect the area alone and gives signal in case of danger before having this training the dog must have taken area protection training .so if determines the badman and ineffects him automatically. P-21; CAR PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG; İn this training the dog learnes to protect the owners car with or without its owner.he also tought to have attention on everyone but not attacting everyone.but if anyone attacks its owner or the car it can ineffect it. P-22; PEOPLE OR THİNG PROTECTİON TRAİNİNG; İn this training the dogs learnes to protect someone or somethink as told by orders .with the training you can make your dog protect your phone,your sister,your wife,your child,your office,or your table left fore leg with order.but its up to dogs the dogs talents to protect thing without its owner around. P-23; PSYCHOLOGİCAL REHABİLİTATİON TRAİNİNG; This training is given to solve the dogs pscy.problems as obsesion ,fear,aggresiion,etc.if there are more problems then we can solve we go to the psychologist. P-24; MAN STOPPER İn this training the dog get all of basic training,advanced training ,all protection trainings,fooding exercises and becomes one of the most powerfull dog in the world.at the and of the training its owner doesnt have to worry about his dog s stopping a 200 kg man once. Also in this training the dog learnes every port of human and can stop every kind of of weapon.for example it can catch ones left legs down port with order leave. The trainings ,exercises,programmes given above are some of the one that İ used in many dogs and i recommended.i found out these techniques from internet ,book,cd's,and video cassettes.i tried the teoric stuff on my,my friends and my clients dogs which i successed.i emphasise that i dont think that i am a proffesional but i am better among most of the trainers in istanbul. İ used this simple pulling program PULLİNG TRAİNİNG PROGRAMMES PROGRAMME 1) You start with pulling empty weight 10-15 times.drag pul,sometimes one cart pull.first 5 week continius like that. Working frequency; At first ,both aerobic activity and drag pull,must be done .you should do long drag pull .1 or 2 days in a week.after you can heavy the weight slowly .when making the weight heavier you should watch The dogs performance. Until working with cross you should continioue drag 2-3 times in a week minimum ½ mile ,max 1 mile. Weights plus mustn't go over %15 in start. PROGRAMME 2) DAY 1; DRAG PULL,EXERCİSE (MIN 20 FEET,10 TİMES)(repeat,%30 lıght weıght) DAY 2; CART PULL EXERCİSE (MIN 20 FEET ,10 TİMES )(repeatt,%40 lıght weıght) DAY 3; REST DAY 4; TENACİTY EXERCİSE (AEROBIC ACTIVITY),SWİMMİNG ,RUNNİNG.. ETC. DAY 5; REST DAY 6; HEAVY WEİGHT PULL,FİRST DRAG PULL THEN CART PULL 4 TIMES WITH %80 7.GUN; REST AND REPEAT..... PROGRAMME 3) 1.WEEK; DAY 1; DRAG PULL,1/2 MILE %30 HEAVY WEIGHT 4 TIMES DAY 2; CART PULL,MED. WEIGHT,%85 MAX 4 TIMES.START %70 FINISH %85 DAY 3; DRAG PULL,%30 1 MILE 4 TIMES DAY4; AEROBIC ACTIVITY DAY 5; DRAG PULL, ½ MILE %5O MED.WEİGHT 4 TIMES DAY 6; CART PULL,%80 WEIGHT DAY 7; REST 2.WEEK: DAY 1; DRAG PULL,1 MILE,%30, 4 TIMES DAY 2; CART PULL, HEAVY WEIGHT %90, 2 TIMES DAY 3; DRAG PULL,1/2 MILE %70, 4 TIMES DAY 4; CART PULL,MED WEIGHT%80,4 TIMES DAY 5; AEROBIC ACTIVITY DAY 6; CART PULL,MED WEIGHT %75,4 TIMES DAY 7; REST 3.WEEK: DAY 1; DRAG PULL,%85 WEIGHT ½ MILE DAY 2; CART PULL,%85WEIGHT,2 TIMES DAY 3; DRAG PULL,MED WEIGHT %75,1/2 MILE ,4 TIMES DAY 4; CART PULL,HEAVY WEIGHT %90, 2 TIMES DAY 5; AEROBIC ACTIVITY DAY 6; CART PULL,LIGHT WEIGHT %75,4 TIMES DAY 7; REST 4.WEEK: DAY 1; DRAG PULL,LIGHT WEIGHT %50,1/2 MILE ,4 TIMES DAY 2; CART PULL,MED.WEGHT %80,4 TIMES DAY 3; DRAG PULL,HEAVY WEIGHT %80 ,4 TIMES DAY 4; CART PULL,MED.WEIGHT %75,4 TIMES DAY 5; REST DAY 6; CART PULL,MAX POWER WEIGHT %100+ ,İNCREASİNG SLOWLY... PROGRAMME 4: 1.REPEAT; CART PULL,LIGHT WEIGHT %50 ,20 FEET,4 TIMES ,REST TIME 30 SN 2.REPEAT; CART PULL,MEDIUM-LIGHT WEIGHT %70,20 FEET,4 TIMES,REST TIME 1 MINUTES 3.REPEAT; CART PULL,MEDIUM WEIGHT %80,20 FEET,2 TIMES,REST 2 MINUTES 4.REPEAT; CART PULL,HEAVY WEIGHT %85-90,20 FEET,2 TIMES,REST 3 MINUTES 5.REPEAT; (MAX PULLİNG SHOULD BE ONCE A MONTH) CART PULL %100 MAX POWER ,1 TİME Using this programme i have reached max power and strenght of a lot of dogs. When feeding i choose the bes marks like EUKANUBA ,ROYAL CANİN,HİLL'S,ETC.with this give them a few protein,mineral and vitamins.in raised dogs i have some tests that i developed. 50 STEP TEST; think of a dog in 1 age of german shepherd dog.its owner brings it to training court.badman comes with a stick, hits the stick, infront of the dog provoking it and after 15 sec.he runs for 50 steps.owner lets the dog out off its straps .preffered reaction is dogs biting him or arousing near to bark him. HARD PROTECTİON TEST; Think of a dog in age of 2 and had a protection training .after 10 minutes of landing out of plane (car) it is strapped with 80 cm strap.and the owner walks away.5 fatman provokes it with kinds of weapons and comes near the dog to 30 cm.there is no touching to the dog.preffered reaction is dog attacking witt full power and never doing eskivs. UMBRELLA TEST ; Think of dog in age of at least 4.5 months (rott,gsd,dobi,malinois etc) İt walks calmly with its owner .the dog walks on the right side of its owner.badman appears on the right side of the dog walking with closed umbrella in his hand by the time of walking (no order is given the dog )badman openes the umbrella straight to dog .prefferred reaction is dog attacking directly to the umbrella .min.reaction is dog barking ,shakeing its tail. İf any dog doesn't pass these tests or answers ,i want to a week period from its owner.i start working With it and with a badman .when the dog answers to any of this tests badman seems to be afraid of it.so the dog could think that it can be better than human being. After that i start training . The tests that i use in puppies are given below.these are for 5 week or 8 week dogs having a good pschological. SOCİALİTY TESTS; A)SOCİAL CHARMİNG TEST; İ put the dog in to the training court.after walking a few meters away.i make myself cute,laying down ,clapping my hands(i call the dog in different way of our entering the court.) 1)it comes soon,tail up,biting my hands 2)it comes soon,tail up,throwing hands,licking my hands 3)it comes soon,tail up 4)it comes soon,tail down 5)it comes hesitating ,tail down 6)doesn't come B)FOLLOWİNG İ use this test shows the passion of working with people İ stand up and walk away from the dog .the dog sees that my going. 1)follows immediately,tail up,comes near foot,biting my food 2) follows immediately,tail up,comes near foot 3) follows immediately,tail up 4) follows immediately,tail down 5) follows hesitating ,tail down 6)doesnt follow ,or walks away C)RESİSTANCE İ lay down,i make the dog lay flat with one hand and wait 30sec. Tests C,D shows the dominanty and docility tendency.i try to see the behavior under social or phsycial pressure. 1)tries hard,struggies,bites 2) tries hard,struggies 3)stable ,struggles ,stable with eye contact 4)struggles,and stays stable 5)no struggling, 6) no struggling,runs away from eye contact D)SOCİAL PRESSURE İ let the puppy stand up ,by staying near it push its head back.i continioue until it shows a reaction 1)jumps,throws hands ,bites,wheezes 2) jumps,throws hands 3)persist to me ,tries to lick my face 4)craves,lick my hands 5)rols ,licks my hands 6)walks away,stay there E)ALTİTUDE PRESSURE İn this test i try to see the reaction of accepting pressure in a not controled situation. İ raise the dog up by handing it from its stomach.i wait for 30 sec. 1)tries hard,bites,wheezes 2) tries hard 3)no trying,calm 4)tries hard,stays stabled ,licking 5)no trying,licks my hands 6)no trying,lifeless OBEDİENCE CAPASİTY TEST; A)FİNDİNG ,BRİNGİNG İ try to learn the passion of the dog of working with people. İ stay down near the dog i make his attention with dumped papers.when the dog interested i trow the ball near 4-6 feet to the dog. 1)tries to catch the ball,catches,goes for away 2) tries to catch the ball,stands near it doesn't come back 3) tries to catch the ball,comes back with the ball 4) tries to catch the ball,comes back without ball 5)storts to catch the ball,loses its attention 6)doen't catch the ball B)TOUCHİNG SENSİTİVİTY; İ press on one of the front hands of the puppy.and i count to 10.i stop when the dog uncomfortable or stays back 1)10 numbers before reaction 2)7 numbers before reaction 3)6 numbers before reaction 4)4 numbers before reaction 5)2 numbers before reaction C)VOİCE SENSİTİVİTY; İ put the puppy in the center of area.i go away from the dog for several feet.i make a lousy noise (i hit metal saucepon with a spoon two times) 1)listens identifies the noise ,comes towards me barking runs 2) listens identifies the noise,barks 3) listens identifies the noise,shows curiosity,walks to the noise 4) listens identifies 5)crouches down,stay back ,hides 6)doesn't show attention,and doesn'tshow curiosity D)SEEİNG SENSİTİVİTY With this test i measure the dogs reaction to foreign object.in the test area i fasten a rape in place than i wowe a towel. 1)looks,attacks,bites 2)looks ,barks,bites, 3)look in attention,doesn' involve 4)looks,puts the tail on tower 5)runs,hides THE TESTS GİVEN BELOW ARE USED FOR MEASURİNG OBEDİENCE AND WORKİNG CAPASİTY; A)ROOM DETECTİON; İ put the dog in the room and i go out.i watch from a window . 1)storts to evacuote ,comfortable body,self-convinient behaviour. 2)after a short period of rest ,storts to evacuate .strong behaviour. 3)stort tto evacuate after a long period 4)almost not interested 5)not interested ,and signs of fear B)APPROACH TO FOREİNGERS İ leave the dog alone in the room with a stranger 1)comes close soon,sure of itself 2)comes close soon,behaves tense 3)comes close after a short period ,in protection position,body and face tense 4)comes close ,a sure fear signs 5)doesn't come, fears C)BALL BRİNGİNG İn the test room i throw a ball 4-6 feet close to the dog 1)immediately follows the ball,takes and carries it (speedy) 2) immediately follows the ball,(normal speed) 3)goes after the ball after a period of time ,takes carries it 4)goes after the ball after a period of time ,smells it,doesn't take 5)afraids D)PRESSURE WİTH HAND İ make the dog lay down flat .put a pressure on its stomach.(10 sec) 1)energic,and aggressive but protection itself 2)comfortable ,self-convident ,lets me(positive) 3)goes back a little 4)tries to get away ,feared 5)panic behaviour,open fear RESULTS; İF THERE ARE MORE 1; Very dominant,aggressive ,can be provocated biting easily.it will reject a human leadership because of its dominant character This kind of a dog is use full as a police dog or guard dog .its a wrong choise for one owner İF THERE ARE MORE 2; Dominant and slf-confident.can be provocated biting.but can obey a stong ,powerfull owner. Not usefull as your first dog İF THERE ARE MORE 3; An attractive dog.it can regulate its reltionship with his owner by usefull exercises and training .can be adaptated to very different places.it can be more to a family with little child or older people İF THERE ARE MORE 4; İt's puppy which can be controled easily.because of its character it always follows its owner as a leader.can be trained easily.gets good with kids.its a high quality family dog.its less attractive from the aboved one.but its still kind of lovely. İF THERE ARE MORE 5; İts very calm but doesn't have a self-convfident.it very close to its owner wants regular friendship ,need courage .if its looked wrong can be a shy or coward dog.it will be very comfortable with a patient owner. İF THERE ARE MORE 6; Not interested in human and comletely independent.it doesn't show its love needs min human interested. İf it his as taken 1-2 it will need an experienced owner a mission. İf it has taken 3-4 it wil be a good companion dog for most people İf it has taken 5 its owner must be very experienced ,patient and must have little needs from it İf it has taken 6 its owner musn't expect anything from it ,its just independet. As i rescorched ,there are 2 types certain ways of dog training.their creators and their ways of born are given below. İvan petrovic; He has won a nobel award in medical and fizyology in 1904.he has declured his excursion in experimantal psyc.and psychopotalogy in animals in madeid, int.kongree . Pavlov declored conditioned reflex againist unconditioned reflex coming from birth first time in this report.Pavlov reached "unconditioned reflex" from salivery grant called "psych salivery" .this teory showa that there is a reflex in a livings brain that couses modification to a area-condition.it is controled from under lobs part of brain. Pavlov's conditioned reflex is one of my main training system.,i mean cause and effect.but i dont mean that i never use nailed straps or electronic shock collar etc.usually leather neck strap is used in training.but they can be used for special orders or for obeying the orders perfectly.for sure they must be used only by prof. trainers Burrhus frederic skinner; He was an american psychologist who was interested in conditioned animals during the second world war.(especially in pigeons ) He found out a new technique called enstrumantal conditioning.this behavior is effect reflex kind of a coditioning alse he has done a machine that calculate animals behaviors.and this is called SKİNNER BOX this machine is a mouse cage.he put a mirror for viewing better.this system gets in use ,an animal going after a peace of meat which was put before in the cage.Skinner made his theory working on this in to a programmed training system. İ rearly use operant coditioning.it doesn't work enough in every dog. İ base my trainings on Pavlovs conditioned reflex and Skinner'enstrumantel reflex methods. İ had lots of opportunities to investigate abut kangal dogs.this is my favorite subject.(alredy own two kangal dogs)behind them i have tested around 1000.(obedience ,protection tests)worlds biggest kangal dog CAPAR (height 97cm weight 122 kg)is our dog.most popular dog in anatolia with wolf hunting ,which has hunted over 40,BALAK is also our dog.accept these we prouldly a lot of breeding dogs. And i orderly join dog show in kangal subject every year.in this years (2003) hold out i have shown a succesfull work in kangal dog sempozium.i found out that the training system of kangal dogs cannot be based on other dogs (gsd,rott,dobi,lab etc.)and i think of publishing a book about the training methods and tests that i work on in a couple of years.i try to figure out that kangal dogs are not just shepherd dogs but more.... ABOUT KANGAL DOGS TRAİNİNG; Kangal dogs are easily trained with pavlov conditioned system than operant conditioned system.because working with people were asked in a few places in Anatolia during their hall history.because of that they are back from other breeds in this topic. But it can be done.it can be done with good protection.now a day cant they be trained ?yes they can be trained in a perfect way.the most important point is the right training doing the test correctly with correct training system. İn anatolias different areas kangals that i have tested ansvered closely.(obedience,protection passion with working people etc).as an example the dogs in SİVAS AND ERZİNCAN got medium and a bit higher points in obedience tests.they got lover from protection tests.AKSARAY dogs got higher in protection in front of their house.unstrap them only in mission time and showed a close relation But in sivas the situation is different they keep their dogs away from them after mission time so when the dogs get closer they have the difficultly o obey their rules or leadership.it musn't be forgotten that the dogs i tested were pure breed dogs. İ can take an answer from here like this,when the dogs weren't close with human during their natural selection they insist on being indepented .like heir night protection percent goes higher is a Genetic situation ,this is also a genetic situation.but fenotypical conditions can change genotypicals. Stoodengow and Canike are investigators who showed out that to train a mouse for lounch hours you'll need 300 signals for first generation,100 signals for second generation,and for thirty-fifth generation you only need 1 signal .these also cross checks my hypothesis. İ have reached all this knowledge with one of my bussinnesman friend whose familiy is dealed with animal in anatolia for all of their life.he helped me go to Anatolia and do my researches . For me,worlds best manstopper dog is a perro de presa canary dog. Sivas kangal dog has more than this dog,but not less.because they are more speedy and big.more agile.also they are more harmonius,complaisant ,and more respectfull to their owner. İ thought that it's a duty for me to tell you about little of my past with dogs ,my training systems ,exercises,programmes,and my researches bout kangal dogs .i would love to hear about your opinions ,which will be a honour for me to be critisized by you. YOURS SİNCERELY AKIN TÜLÜBAŞ
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