RED MANGE CONTROL -Demodectic Mange

unless dogs are severely stressed, i'm pretty sure that demodex outbreaks indicate an immune system problem. so, I also feel that they should not be bred.

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· BULLMASTIFF BRASILEIRO

· 2009-09-15T21:04:47+0000
RECENTLY OUR KENNEL HAVE BEEN DEAL WITH RED MANGE AND WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE THAT PROBABLY COULD HELP SOME OWNER TO DEAL WITH THESE DESEASE. IN BRAZIL 2 PAPER FROM 2008 HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED AND OUR KENNEL USE THE SAME TREATMENT SINCE 2005. IF SOME ONE NEED ADVICE LET ME KNOW.
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· sbates

· 2009-09-15T23:04:46+0000
You should not be breeding dogs with a demodex problem!!!! Juvenile-onset generalized demodicosis is a familial disease and affected dogs and their parents should not be bred. Dogs with local disease that are intended for breeding should be observed WITHOUT treatment to be sure the generalized form does not develop! I hope your "advice" includes ovariohysterectomy and castration for affected animals.
· unknown

· 2009-09-15T23:18:09+0000
unless dogs are severely stressed, i'm pretty sure that demodex outbreaks indicate an immune system problem. so, I also feel that they should not be bred.
· BULLMASTIFF BRASILEIRO

· 2009-09-15T23:45:27+0000
Yes the fist recomendation will be castration. but in some cases you need to use a good treatment and thats the topic here. In some specific cases the owner need to use one more time the female to get his last litter or the dogs are severely stressed by the environmental or because the breeder use imbreeding that could affect just the litter and dont pass for they decendents (f2) in these case you dont need to use castration.but its very rare to happend. Anyway, 2 new medicine are available today and we cant debate here.
· unknown

· 2009-09-16T00:16:23+0000
Demodecic mange is hereditary, real simple fix, don't breed dogs with Red Mange.
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· lynnicks

· 2009-09-16T14:21:03+0000
In Australia we have a product called Advocate which it states that it is shown to be highly effective in the treatment of generalised demidicosis when administered at monthly intervals for 2 to 4 treatments. In a laboratory study performed on dogs naturally infested with Demodex Canis treating the dog with Advocate resulted in a decrease in the occurrence of erythema,casts,scales,crusts and alopecia and a significant reduction (97.84%) in mite numbers found in skin scrappings. In a field study, all dogs enrolled in the study were 100% cured of all Demodex mites. Maybe Im on the wrong page here but isnt this the same thing. I use it on my dogs monthly but not for that as it covers fleas and larvae, prevents heartworm, controls intestinal wormsand their larvae, the above plus sarcoptic mange, ear mites and lice. Expensive but worth it as my dogs dont get any infestations and I treat seperate for ticks. Cant be too careful in this climate.
· unknown

· 2009-09-17T18:49:35+0000
What Lynnicks said is best, but if you need something right this second that will help (not cure) is give them an Iodine dip. But ths only will help the dog for a bit and not kill all of it off. Rinse the dogs well afterwards.
· BULLMASTIFF BRASILEIRO

· 2009-09-17T19:21:02+0000
[quote1253214420=lynnicks] In Australia we have a product called Advocate which it states that it is shown to be highly effective in the treatment of generalised demidicosis when administered at monthly intervals for 2 to 4 treatments. In a laboratory study performed on dogs naturally infested with Demodex Canis treating the dog with Advocate resulted in a decrease in the occurrence of erythema,casts,scales,crusts and alopecia and a significant reduction (97.84%) in mite numbers found in skin scrappings. In a field study, all dogs enrolled in the study were 100% cured of all Demodex mites. Maybe Im on the wrong page here but isnt this the same thing. I use it on my dogs monthly but not for that as it covers fleas and larvae, prevents heartworm, controls intestinal wormsand their larvae, the above plus sarcoptic mange, ear mites and lice. Expensive but worth it as my dogs dont get any infestations and I treat seperate for ticks. Cant be too careful in this climate. [/quote1253214420] Thanks lynnicks ... The best treatment that i have been folowing here in Brazil are: Cydectin (Fort Dodge)Moxidectina Ã 1% 35-45Kg -1 ml : frequency 4 to 4 days during 10-15 weeks 100% cured of all Demodex mites. [link=hyperlink url]http://www.fortdodge.com.br/divisoes/bovinos/cydectin.php[/link] or Dectomax -(pfizer)Doramectina 1% frequency 7 to 7 days during 10-15 weeks 100% cured of all Demodex mites [link=hyperlink url]http://www.pfizersaudeanimal.com.br/sui_produtos_dectomax.asp[/link]
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· contactcombat

· 2009-09-17T21:35:59+0000
how about treating puppies?
· BULLMASTIFF BRASILEIRO

· 2009-09-17T23:42:52+0000
[quote1253230475=contactcombat] how about treating puppies? [/quote1253230475] The red mange pass from the mother to the litter in the first 72 hours (milk) , so the best treatment will be one day before her give birth or after with Cydectin. After 90 days old you could give the cydectin in the litter using the proportion for the weight of the puppy. 1ml -50kg 0,5ml - 25 kg 0,25ml-12,5kg 0,125ml-6 kg etc,.
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· lynnicks

· 2009-09-18T17:06:40+0000
Your welcome The contents of Advocate for dogs over 25 kilos is 100g/L IMIDACLOPRID 25g/L MOXIDECTIN With pups you are supposed to treat the mother for the 2 to 4 treatments and just before breeding and 4 week intervals preferably not just after whelp and you can buy the one for pups but not sure at what age you can start. Will ask my vet when I next go into town.
· gsicard

· 2009-09-18T19:16:33+0000
Check out this http://molosserdogs.com/content3200.html and also read the article listed of the bottom of the http://molosserdogs.com/content3200.html
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· sbates

· 2009-09-19T01:52:17+0000
Advocate (the imidicloprid/moxidectin combo) is marketed under the tradename Advantage Multi in the U.S. It can be applied to puppies as young as 7 weeks that weigh at least 3 lbs. Safety in pregnant or lactating bitches has not been established. Moxidectin and doramectin are both in the same antiparasitic drug class: macrocyclic lactone. Other drugs in this class include ivermectin, abamectin, eprinomectin, selamectin, and milbemycin oxime. If you've got a case of demodectic mange and you feel compelled to treat it, why not just use ivermectin? It's probably the cheapest option, its from the same drug class, and much is known about its use in dogs. Judicious use of any of these compounds is warranted when treating collie breeds or mixes with unknown MDR1 gene mutation status.
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· contactcombat

· 2009-09-19T18:13:33+0000
ever heard of tac-tic?
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· sbates

· 2009-09-19T22:42:39+0000
Sure, Taktic (amitraz) is a topical spray for mite, lice and tick control on cattle and swine. It is specifically labeled to not use in dogs or horses. MITABAN is a product containing amitraz for dogs. MITABAN is currently the only FDA-approved drug for demodex in dogs. Other therapies are considered off-label use. Amitraz (along with metaflumizone) is also in the topical dog product marketed as ProMeris.
· unknown

· 2010-08-10T06:38:38+0000
[quote1281422028=sbates] You should not be breeding dogs with a demodex problem!!!! Juvenile-onset generalized demodicosis is a familial disease and affected dogs and their parents should not be bred. Dogs with local disease that are intended for breeding should be observed WITHOUT treatment to be sure the generalized form does not develop! I hope your "advice" includes ovariohysterectomy and castration for affected animals. [/quote1281422028] This is subject I'm about to broach with my breeder - my 13 month old Boerboel was just diagnosed with juvenile-onset generalized demodiocosis The terms of my contract would provide for another dog if I were willing to PTS but, of course, a year later, I am not. I'm just looking for the best ways I can go about strengthening her immune system and the best way to discuss this with her breeder. I had an over two year relationship with them prior to finally receiving this dog - we exchanged Christmas cards, etc, and there were several visits - but I did pay a small fortune for this girl and I am more than mildly annoyed about all of this. I went with the Boerboel because of the relative cleanliness (health-wise) for congenital problems in their lines. After losing my last to a very virulent form of cancer, health was the number one issue for me. I'll look into the product you guys are suggesting but I'm really looking to approach this more for a dietary and Ayurvedic perspective .. .

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