What's the BEST way to protect your dog/you fr a dog attack?
I've always learned that some attacks can be avoided by how you react. If the dog is up ahead and seems menacing stay calm and in a firm and loud voice tell the dog to stop! go home and point out the opposite direction. It helps to make yourself look intimidating as best you can while doing it (if they are walking towards you... not charging you, I dont think you would have time to react). I put my small dogs in a football hold with the ass end facing the front (so the small dog can't see the other dog) That has saved my butt numerous times.
I haven't been involved with any other scenario other than that, but that is what helped me.
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I've always learned that some attacks can be avoided by how you react. If the dog is up ahead and seems menacing stay calm and in a firm and loud voice tell the dog to stop! go home and point out the opposite direction. It helps to make yourself look intimidating as best you can while doing it (if they are walking towards you... not charging you, I dont think you would have time to react). I put my small dogs in a football hold with the ass end facing the front (so the small dog can't see the other dog) That has saved my butt numerous times. I haven't been involved with any other scenario other than that, but that is what helped me. -
Hi Pam, a baseball bat properly applied to the skull of any dog will achieve the desired result. Frequent applications may be necessary but a baseball bat is easy to reload. Stun gun - does not inflict pain. It short circuits the electrical impluses in the body and cause the muscles to do weird things. It will normally stop an animal especially a short haired dog. The contact where the 50,000 volts will arc should make contact with the conductive material - skin. The reaults will be quite rewarding and depending on your mood entertaining. Don't do it for fun. I was hit with stunguns in training and even though I expected and prepared for the shock is was must debilitating. Pepper spray - you can carry pepper spray or mace since liberals frown on us walking around with loaded shotguns. There is no way to actually prevent any of the situations from occurring unless you lock yourself in your home and never take your dogs out. There will always be some inconsiderate person who wants their Fluffy to play with your manstopper or their manstopper to have a romp with your Fluffy. Either way - something unpleasant may happen. Small furry dogs are just like small furry critters to a terrier type dog. They scurry along the ground just like those tasty squirrles, rats and other delectable treats. If you have the small furry critter on your leash and have attracted the unwanted attention of small furry critter hunter things will get exciting. In scenario 1 - pickup your little dog and walk away. If you are chased and you fear that you will be attacked you could try confronting the attacking dog and basically turning the tables on it. Yell at it and make yourself look bigger and more dominant and aggressive. .. Not sure if this will work in all cases but if the dog is not too serious it may just decide that you are a hassle and your furry critter is not worth the effort. More knowledgable members will disagree - or have other solutions. Scenario 2 - You have a bigger dog (large breed) let it protect you. Even those breeds you mentioned are still dogs and will confront another dog if pushed. Hardware is more reliable than software in this case also (I think Frank said that). If something has to get bitten let it be the dog. (here comes the storm). Secnario 2 has happend to me twice. Staring a non threatening dog in the eye could provoke a confrontation. If the dog is already aggressing then starring it down could defuse or escalate the situation. It depends on the dog and the situation. Good question - standing by for more input. -
Lol a baseball bat wont do anything to a Pitbull, double LOL! Yeah right, show me a Pitbull that can take one swing from me and a baseball bat, I will give you a whole months salary! Even a small person with a good thick stick can brain a Pitbull to death, cmon they aren't "Hancok"
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Gary, Gary, Gary - Baseball bat 8O have you coincidered the OP's size? She would need to go very light to generate enough bat speed to knock one out of the park. :lol: Then there is the lugging it around all the time, "just in case". Now, a 5' lenght of 1" bamboo doesn't weight much at all and it will sting like H _ _ _ :wink: Not to mention not leaving a discusting mess on the sidewalk. A neighbor that let his dog roam ash me once why I was carring my Bamboo stick while walking my dog. I told him it was a Black Lab training strick...I never have seen his dog at large since. :D There is a small Stun Baton on the market that is only 10" long, I believe it's 200K volts and will stop dogs on 2 or 4 leggs. For most "Encounters" I find some serious powerful commands will will stop pet dogs. Keep in mind that almost all pet dog understand "NO". Concider picking up a small dog is going to bring the aggressive dog up in your face. I don't think I'd walk a small dog ANYWARE without a walking stick. Bigger dog?, drop the lead if a fight is unavoidable and keep yourself clear of both dogs mouths. My best adv. to the OP walk with your hubby or find a "safer" place to walk your dogs. I had to do that myself last summer due to a Slob owner and his PIT that ran the neigborhod. That dog eventually challenged a COP and is no longer an issue. :wink:
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All joking aside. The 1st rule of self defence for you OR your dog is NOT get in the situtation in the 1st place. Educate yourself about the area you plan to travel with your dog, talk with other dog owners. Runners & cyclist know were every off leash dog lives :roll: For a person that isn't physcically strong enough or doesn't have the expeience with dominate breeds the Stum Baton is the way to go IMHO. I million volts will drop any dog or man PERIOD. allowing you time to leave. http://www.stungunscheaper.com/_Streetwise_1,000,000_Volt_Rechargeable_Stun_Baton_wzzzLED_Flashlight_.php?ref=stbtns
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[blockquote]Now to make it all the more scary, this Pitbull was 12 years old! And get this....it only had it's "back teeth" left in its mouth (I guess they fell out due to old age?? or bad care.....). The Mastiff (who in all fairness, was ONLY a puppy....shy of 2 yrs old), did not try to defend itself. It just cowered and tried to get away.[/blockquote]Oh my goodness. So let me get this right a "pitbull" by that I think they meant American Pit Bull Terrier only has its back teeth and was able to seriously damage a 2 year old "English" Mastiff? I don't believe it. Firstly, no self-respecting English Mastiff would cower and take that kind of crap from a defanged "pitbull". Secondly no defanged "pitbull" would be able to grip and hold anything on an "English" Mastiff except .. humm.. I won't go there. Do you see the silliness of that story - dogs need their canines to grip or rip. Now about a 2 year old "any" Mastiff that allows itself to be tormented by a 12 year old "any" Bull is not worth the food it processes. ESPECIALLY if it's owner is in the same location and in jeopardy. It cowers and tried to get away - What are our dog breeds becoming? At 2 years old any of the mastiff breeds should be mature enough to protect or at least defend themselves. In actuality they should be doing that at about 8 months old. This "mastiff" probably slept on its owner’s bed and never had to learn to be a dog. Thanks for posting such intriguing questions - it does make us think about what we would do. I went through this scenario already and it was not fun. -
Gary - I thought about that after I posted too. I can see a "PET" mastif that had be castrated at a tender age being victim. I might see a really BAD@$$ old Pit clamping down with it's molars.... :roll: :lol: O.K. that's a streach :lol: You are definately right about everyone remembering these attacks can and do happen to all of us. Who would think a couple of CO's would get bothered? Last year when we were having a a roaming PIT "issue", my female was in heat. I would take her in my unfenced rear yard to do her business with my .45 :wink:
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A friend has a rescued pittbull who's previous teeth were all broken by the time he was rescued. Perhaps thats what they ment... I guess in some places its a practice to make the dog mean... Koha (the rescue) was supposed to be a "fighting" pittbull... but only didn't have the drive to fight so they figured they would stick him in a basement and break his teeth out. Pretty sad, but his new owners is great. :D
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There's an old saying I have heard quite often... When you want your car back from th impound lot that is guarded by a big mean dog, you bring your own BIGGER MEANER dog to the lot, and take your car back. If you take the message in it for what it is, it will help you out.
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Mike - Not everyone owns "DogZilla" :lol: Here's cool idea for dog walking a combo Stun baton/flashlight/siren at 150K volts it shouldn't kill the offending dog but, it will make a lasting impression :wink: http://www.defensedevices.com/stunflashlight.html
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Frank, The point was not to have people get a dogzilla... the point of it is.. is to have at your disposal WHAT EVER may be needed to keep yourself safe. If you're having issues with loose dogs harassing you, you should have a dog that is capable of defending itself AND you from them, and use a walking stick whether you need it or not :wink: . If your child is having troubles with bullies or possibilities of being stolen, some form of martial arts training would at-least give them a fighting chance at making it through the confrontation. If your spouse is being harassed by men on her nightly walk, walk with them, and make the harassers UNDERSTAND why it is a bad idea to continue it, get them a cell phone and pepper spray and a taser. These things do work :wink: :twisted: :wink: Mike
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I'm glad you commented on that story Gary so I didn't have to. I'm so sick of people sensationalizing stories about Pitbulls and making them into near mythic Boogey Monsters! They are freaking dogs and not even big ones and aren't even people aggressive breed standard-wise. And they are far from indestructible, geez! Labs have even whipped peoples pet APBT's which is what 99% of people run into! Dog fighters just dont let their money making dogs run around whilly-nilly! And money making prize fighting dogs are normally in the 30-40 lbs or under range anyway! HELLO OUT THERE! can I get a hell yeah?!
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LOL... I just re-read the thing... what stupidity.... LOL
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[quote=redneksamurai] Labs have even whipped peoples pet APBT's which is what 99% of people run into! [/quote] Very good point! In the last ten years I've seen the classic field temperment of the Lab & Golden change. They seem to be more territioral, sharper and bold. Mike - I was just pulling your leash. :wink:
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Yes apbt's are very cool...But not made of steal!!! Shoot Hailey in her prime (chowxspitz mix) whooped a two year old unfixed apbt male that I was dog sitting....Shocked the hell out of me!!!! :D Dog acted like an angel for the rest of his stay!
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My lab is tall for a lab. He is a scrappy SOB even with bad arthritis. He is naturaly gaurdy wich is great too. I'm pretty sure in his prime he could have taken on some pretty mean dogs if he thought i was threatened... but never enountered any and im glad for it! I was suprised how good his instincts are about protecting the home. Some relatives flew in from out of state to stay with me. I wasn't going to be home when they arrived, but told them were the key was and to let themselves in. I had put Mikey (lab) in the old barn so he has more leg room for the day. Ol' Mikey decided to tunnel out about the time my relatives showed up. Of course he means business now, people are tresspassing on his turf. They said if they didn't know Mikey's name, that they would have been in for it. When they said his name his tuned changed to "Oh they know me! Oh boy oh boy oh boy, ball?" :lol:
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Pam, I don't think the members' responses were directed at you but rather at the story you posted from the other board. You did bring up a good point about personal safety while walking your dog. Unfortunately even if we do our best and take all precautions and choose our routes carefully there will probably be some uncaring person who negates all our planning by their own incompetence. Stay safe out thee.
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I'm a bit late to this thread... My wife and I live in an area where we always have this problem. The area we live is very liberal [read as "hippie"] so most dog owners believe their dogs should be "free to roam". Unfortunately most of their dogs are also rescues, dogs from rural working or fighting lines that are discarded and are not the type of dog that should be "roaming free". My wife and I are small. My wife is 5' 100# and I am 5' 5" 140#. Due to the type of breeds we own our dogs are NEVER off lead, unless in our fenced in yard or in our home. So an off leash dog, or pack of dogs, wondering the Mesa is a big problem for us when walking our dogs - my wife could easily be dragged behind a pair of our Akita if they got into a charge. Mind you, for Akita, our dogs are pretty well mannered with other dogs - but they will not take any $hit. A few times my wife has been charged and Hilo, our male Akita, [aka Cotton Ball] has been effective in clearing up that situation. Sometimes dogs will charge and my wife will turn and walk away, but that sets our dogs off and they get very frustrated and then will, rarely, turn on each other - it really sux. Anyway, my wife is small but very comfortable with dogs and can usually warn them off w/o issue - but for time when she can't we have found a few different methods to be effective... The safest thing to do is to turn around, most dogs are warning you to not approach any closer, so turning around is what they want you to do. If the dog continues to follow you, turn and stand still facing them and yell "GO!" or "NO!" [or something like that] pointing away from you - stand up tall and straight when you do this so you don't look like an aggressor, you just look confident. If that doesn't work.... - A "Super Soaker" filled with water and Cyan pepper works pretty well - spray it at the dogs face. - As frank mentioned, a walking cane/stick is effective. Sometimes just pointing it at a dog is all you need to do. - Then there is the ultimate - a "Hot Shot" cattle prod. Its long enough to where you can keep mostly out of the way of a dog but its not large enough to be cumbersome. Even a large dog wouldn't enjoy being zapped by one of them! - Also I have seen a Air horn work well, or even a race starter's pistol. I have told my wife that if it really comes down to business, drop the leads of our dogs and walk away. I would hate to see one of our dogs get hurt but I would rather that than my wife. Its a super frustrating thing for us. I hope this helps a little! ~Brad
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Hi Pam - to answer you first question I was really referring to misdirected frustration. Its very rare that this happens with our Akita, but with our other more reactive dogs [Kai-Ken & Shikoku-Ken] it can happen roughly 25% of the time. Basically one of the dogs gets so crazy and fixated on a target [what Cesar might call the "red zone"] and can't get to it, their frustration turns to aggression and they attack the closet dog/object. This can be avoided by getting them away from, and not fixated on, the other dog - but if you are not strong enough to quickly do that [like my wife] then it goes bad. When one reactive dog attacks another reactive dog you get a pretty hectic fight - but with pack mates it can usually be stopped before they hurt each other. Our dogs are reactive due to what they were bred for - baying / hunting boar - most highly effective bay dogs will be reactive and loud. So unless you see that type of thing happening in your pack dynamic I wouldn't worry about it. We have lots of behaviorist friends and most of them are surprised when they hear about our dogs frustration misdirection - its not a super common thing [as far as I know], tho it is common in our breeds. As for your second question, I was saying turn and walk away. Sorry I wasn't super clear. Basically if you walk away slowly you should be able to avoid an issue - that is if a dog is standing in front of you barking aggressively at you [warning bark] from a distance away. If the dog is charging if you and turn and run, or walk, he will likely keep charging. The issue you experienced with the GSD probably had more to do with prey drive than aggression. If you ever want your dog to follow you and can't get them to come - turn and run away from your dog, they will likely follow you - due to prey drive [assuming your dog has a prey drive, which most do]. These things you learn when you have hardheaded aloof breeds like mine. :) Hope that helps!
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Here is a tip. Get a big strong, well trained dog, and keep it on leash when you walk it. Remember if there is confrontation between an unleased and a leashed dog, or a person, it is pretty much automatic that it is legally the unleashed (at the start of the fight) dog's owner that is at fault and responsable for any injuries etc.. On a side note (warning no usefull information beyond this point. I just like my dog and talking about her) :wink: I have a very docile and friendly bullmastiff. She gets along very well with people and other dogs at the dog park at our Mastiff meetups etc. Some would discribe her as very submissive (at the dog park she tends to run away from confrontations with other dogs). Yet when we go on leashed walks, as we do every evening, we have only twice been confronted by aggressive large dogs (one was a very large Rott Doberman mix and the other was a small GSD) in both instances when the other dog got close she butched up in a hurry and backed it down (long enough for their owners to get control) so there was no real fight either time. The dogs that annoy us the most often are loose mini-pins and chihuahuas, etc. I have mostly been successful in teaching her to keep walking and "Leave it" when those little buggers come out yapping at our heels. 8)
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The stupidity in it is this. It is NOT stupid because you put it up here or anything like that. It is stupid because it is just too hard to swallow that an english mastiff of any merit would not fight back when getting attacked by ANYTHING, let alone another dog. Also, it kinda sensationalizes the PitBull as a ""killing machine who is un-stoppable"". They are just a dog, like any other dog, who can be stopped if one truly wants to stop it.
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Perhaps your used to working mastiffs, but there are some down right pansies comming out of the pet world. I could buy one getting attacked and not putting up that much of a fight.
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[quote=RubberDucky]Perhaps your used to working mastiffs, but there are some down right pansies comming out of the pet world. I could buy one getting attacked and not putting up that much of a fight.[/quote] I think many of the people here, myself included, tend to think in terms of poroper specimens of any given breed when we read these threads. You and Mike are both correct in you thoughts. As there was not an accurate discrition we all are just speculating.
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[quote="new2neos Say you are a small framed female (or male). And you are walking in your neighborhood with your very good-natured/sweet/NON aggressive "small fluffy Toy Breed dog". Now, let's say you come across an aggressive dog, who is off-leash (I HATE these owners, ugh!!). What are you supposed to do, in order to protect both your dog AND yourself??? Let's say the "other dog" is a BIG one, and is a breed known to have a harsh temperment (Pitbull, or American Bulldog, or Cane Corso, or whatever). What are you supposed to do (provided you cannot carry a gun outside your property -- which would make it easy, because then you can just shoot it!). Pam[/quote] Your characterization of the pit bull, american bulldog and cane corso having a harsh temperment is wrong. That being said, most of these dogs that you mention do not even bother with small dogs. If you are a small female or male walking your toy breed the guardian breeds won't even bother you. They don't see your dog as a challenge. Therefore, they don't even bother with toy breeds. It is usually the other way around to be honest. If I'm walking my pit bull it is the poodles and chihuhua's barking and jumping of their leads trying to get at my dog while my dog at the same time is just not interested. He continues on smelling the grass looking for his scent and continues on as if nothing is going on.
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[quote=AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog] Your characterization of the pit bull, american bulldog and cane corso having a harsh temperment is wrong. That being said, most of these dogs that you mention do not even bother with small dogs. [/quote] The breed of the aggresser isn't the point of the thread, it's what do you do. Let's just fix that for the OP. She's a petite woman walking her Shi-zu and an off lead, roaming, BIG FLUFFY ALaskian Malamute approaches. In Malamute circles we refer to small dogs as[color=red] " Snack Dogs"[/color] 8O . To make matters worse Malamutes won't always show classic aggression body launguage before the chew-up your lap dog BECAUSE they aren't being aggessive in their mind, they are merely going to have a snack 8O 8O . There might not be any hackles raise, tail held straight, ears back BECAUSE in trhe Malamutes mind it's just lunch.
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[quote=Platz"][quote="AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog] Your characterization of the pit bull, american bulldog and cane corso having a harsh temperment is wrong. That being said, most of these dogs that you mention do not even bother with small dogs. [/quote] The breed of the aggresser isn't the point of the thread, it's what do you do. Let's just fix that for the OP. [/quote] Platz, Are you a website administer? I'm referencing another poster's comment. If a small petite male or woman sees a pit bull, american bulldog or cane corso you shouldn't do anything out of the norm and go about your business the dog isn't going to bother you.
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[quote=AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog"][quote="Platz"][quote="AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog] Your characterization of the pit bull, american bulldog and cane corso having a harsh temperment is wrong. That being said, most of these dogs that you mention do not even bother with small dogs. [/quote] The breed of the aggresser isn't the point of the thread, it's what do you do. Let's just fix that for the OP. [/quote] Platz, Are you a website administer? I'm referencing another poster's comment. If a small petite male or woman sees a pit bull, american bulldog or cane corso you shouldn't do anything out of the norm and go about your business the dog isn't going to bother you.[/quote] No, I'm not an Admin. I completely disagree with you advice. Because one just can not assume that any bully bred or Cane Corso is not a possible threat off lead. In my town in the last 12 mos. we had one roaming PIT rip a Dobes face off while the poor woman was walking her Dobe on lead, and just two weeks ago a differant PIT, roaming grabed a friend's husky/shep mix by the throat. I know both of the victums and thier dogs, Neither are aggressive. both were on lead. We had two others last year roaming. When the COPS went to the home of one of the owners of the PITS, there dog was loose in a neighbors yard and came fast toward the COPS, and took a bullet. I also know several of the police in my town. I had one show-up in my yard several times when my Rotty wasin heat, I keep her on lead and my .45 locked & loaded and woul not have thought twice about shooting that PIT if it came around....even if it olny had romance on it's mind. :wink: That was 4 differant Pits at large in a year...that I know about. In a nice middle class , middle America, suburban town. I understand you wanting to defend your breed. I've owned an Am. Bulldog and I own a Rotty, I understrand the frustration.I vouliunteer to stop BSL in my state with a Rotty group and we have worked with Pitt & Bully groups. One can't excuse what a PIT WAS MADE TO DO. To ignore that is irresponcible and naive. I assume ALL BREEDS at large are a THREAT until I see thier behavoir that changes my opinion.
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I have to disagree too as some of the breeds mentioned have huge amounts of prey drive.
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"Platz, "A Dobe and Shepard mix are not in the toy group. " ***Yes, you are correct. They were however, being legally walkled and minding thier own business. Which does go back to the topic. "Platz that is up to you if you decide to shoot a pit because it just happens to come around. If that same pit is owned by the local police department it is considered a deputy. If you shoot and kill the dog it has the same sentencing as shooting and killing a police officer. You will be locked away for life." True and the odds of a Police dept. allowing a K-9 officer run at large are about the same as being hit by a comet :lol: Then add on the Police & City's liability.....Not only would I not be tried for defending myself against a trained attack dog, ilegally on my property.....the Civil suit settelement would be like hitting the Lotto. My thoughts on this should not bother responcible dog owners that contrrol thier dogs.
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ill tell you whats happening to our dog breeds , its called dog shows, and the lukewarm fools who intentionally breed out ANY FORM OF DOGGEDNESS , in a dog , they need cats. they have ruined the terriers, and are ruining the mastifffs now. if you like dogs , and not vet bills and retards with fur coats , than boycott show dog lines.
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Sorry I disagree that ALL show dogs have problems and many of us dont just breed for the show ring but for health. None of my own dogs (Neapolitan Mastiffs) have been to the vet for any health problems other than annual injections and only now I have one pup just purchased with eye problems which other than that the dog is in peak health.
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[quote=kbcouch]ill tell you whats happening to our dog breeds , its called dog shows, and the lukewarm fools who intentionally breed out ANY FORM OF DOGGEDNESS , in a dog , they need cats. they have ruined the terriers, and are ruining the mastifffs now. if you like dogs , and not vet bills and retards with fur coats , than boycott show dog lines.[/quote] ADD to that the BS "WORKING" MUTTs lines the metal morons dogs , that are only good for biting a sleeve and turning biscuts into manure, breed by trailer trash that brag about "PREFORMANCE TESTING", hyping bowleged, displastic dogs with bad hearts. All because they are too cheap to do medical screening. The one's with made non-sence names thios bulldog & that bulldog etc., etc. No newbie the answer is eliminate "Show Lines" and "Working Lines" completely. There should only be one "[color=red]CORRECT[/color] Line PERIOD. Complete dedication to the standard IN BOTH FORM & FUNCTION.
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platz, working lines are the correct lines, why are you implying that i am trailer trash and would think about breeding a bowlegged dog to bite a sleave. sir, i am am against all the new fads of so called performance testing. a dog that bites a sleave means little about its ability as a natural guard dog. i like dogs for hunting and true work as they have been doing beofre the bandwagon started with people changing the breeds to fit there fancy. look man you dont know me. just because i understand that a white english bulldog is the best bet for a farm protection livestock control and general help dog on a farm, you assume that this means that the dogs and people raised using them are using inferior dogs , and are like crazed hillbillies from the movie deliverance. i am a well rounded educated man, but infact that has impedded my understanding of real working dogs from the south , because i was not imersed in that culture growing up. these good old folks in the country are actually very polite and respectfull , having southern hospitality, and follow a way to bred dogs that they NEED , it is a cultural traditon and logical way of life to these people that still are more in touch with instinct than city folk. they follow the same methods as all people once did out of nessecity. i mean im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but your previous staement coincides with what you may lack in insight when it comes to dogs or any other topic. get your facts first.
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if im misinterpreting your post than , sorry, but i just think that a working line is a correct line , its the same way it has been done since antiquity to get these types of dogs. all working dog breeds show some physical difference, but the working characteristics reamin in a usable rannge. that is the standard. can it do its job. breed the ones that are better and you get better.">
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The only ones that should take offence to that comment are the ones guilty as charged. :twisted: I understand you are a newbie, I don't imply anything, if I have a problem with someone I've very direct :wink: I travel in BOTH show and working circles....I know what B$ smells like when I step in it. I have equal amount of time in the show ring, hog pen . OB ring, shutzhund field and hunting everything that flys or runs. Don't try to sell me that rural folks are better than city folks business...that dog don't hunt son. :roll: If a dogs doesn't conform to an accepted standard (that includes temperment) I don't care how many geese it can push in a pen or how long it can hang from a spring pole. I have the same contempt for a dog that is perfect to the standard and can not do what it's origanal job was. I don't assume anything about how dogs are breed, I'ver hunted 'coon & boar and seen with my own two eyes what , how & why the dogs are breed, from East Tenn to East Texas. I make my comments from personnal experience. While I do like Grits....you don't have to be raised on then to understand. :lol: Is your version of the American Bulldog the best? Your're welcome to your opinion....Personnaly, I believe one Catahoula is worth ten Bulldogs on a farm. or in the field. I will give Bulldogs credit as catch dogs.....Just the same, I'm convinced a Propper Rottweiler could catch just as good and not be such a PIA to deal with on hogs when using bay dogs. :lol:
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therein lies the point . you just described bulldogs either in catch work , schutzund , or hog hunt as a PIA. these are high drive so called performance bred, dogs, great athletes and superb catchdogs, yes, but i am not saying that is a proper bulldog. it is a crossbred dog , and a good cross for its purpose, but what im calling a proper bulldog is not like a large pitbull. i knw the difference , i have owned/kept many pitdogs, and i have seen with my own two eyes what an honest bulldog is in the white english. ive seen their temperment, and it is about the same as a LGD, so shutzund or hog pen and all doesnt prove anything, extaordinary. with a white english in a hog pen, i would be more impressed to see it work the animals to move or bunch them than to catch an already caught hog. im sure catahoulas do this just as well or better, but they cant whip an aggressive bull that your trying to move or handle,and guard from predators , and not attack the farm animaks like some americans , thats got too much pit mind. this proves they have been bred and culled hard for a long time when all over the south all these dogs can and do these same chores. and yeah a proper rott should make a good one as you mentioned, the problem is you cant get them here that do this consistantly, like a snake hatching out of an egg, ready to go, as catahoulla bays , and a bordercollie herds.
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"therein lies the point " No, it isn't ......my point was Form & Funtiuon are not separate goals & concepts in a complete dog. Further claiming either show or working is better based on 1/2 of that goal is nonscence. To the OP, my apologies for adding in the Hi-Jack of this thread witch is not about Bulldogs. KBcouch if you's like to talk about the thread topic please continue. There's already a thread about your breed of choice on the general forum if that is your main focus here. Since you are new here, I'll offer this advice that may help you enjoy the site more. Go with the topic of the thread everything said on this form is not about bulldogs, pitts or COs there is a lot of general topics here also. Not every comment is personal however those that like to fan the fire do get burned from time to time. Take that for what it's worth. And Welcome to MD :D
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good deal sir, im into working dogs from race hounds , earth dogs , gun dogs, bulldogs to CO'S. well said sir, sorry if i came off as a dog nazi.
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[quote=AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog]Your characterization of the pit bull, american bulldog and cane corso having a harsh temperment is wrong.[/quote] I disagree. You cannot predict if this loose dog has been raised to be aggressive, submissive, friendly, etc.. You don't know. You don't know if they come from a line of good temperament vs. bad temperament. [quote=4myneo]I have to disagree too as some of the breeds mentioned have huge amounts of prey drive.[/quote] I agree. Now. To the point. What to do if a dog comes at you.. Its really not rational to carry a 5' long stick when walking, unless you plan to walk slowly and use it as a walking stick. ....? You would probably start to carry it for a few walks, then get tired of lugging it and stop. The problem w/ being "attacked" is it usually happens when you least expect it. So, probably if you can find something to fit comfortabley in your free hand that is accessible. I don't find the pepper spray "accessible" to open the d@mn lid! *especially remember you also holding a small probably panicking dog.... Often the loose dogs are in their own "territory." I was taught to turn and quickly go the opposite way. A dog just wants to protect "his" space. Get out of it & you are fine. I had a medium dog come at Khloe (cc/neo) & I on a busy street once. Came running down the block nearly got hit. Quite aggressive. I made Khloe "sit & leave it" while I took care of the dog and kicked it in the head. Hated to do it, but I had to. *I was most ticked that no one stopped to help. :x I suppose I looked funny w/ my big dog sitting while I took on the other dog.... Anyway, it ran home. My point is, train your dog too. How it reacts can fuel or diffuse a fire. Your dog needs to know your in charge. In the end, most people say they have a large breed for protection. (I realize you dont', just making a point to something on the 1st page). I agree that [u]if you must[/u], let your dog protect you. That is what they are there for, is it not? It is there honor, there duty. You can do all you can, even "investigate" your neighborhood you walk, that still won't guarantee a dog won't come at you. Kids leave doors open all the time. Dogs dig out, jump out, etc.. Be safe. Don't wear your ipod too loud that you can't hear the outside. Be aware of your surroundings. Keep an eye on your dog as you walk, they will smell a dog in a bush around the corner. I don't know about the eye staring. Will see what my trainer says. GREAT TOPIC BTW!
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bracketology, The way a person carries themselves as confident yet peaceful rather than as unconfident and a victim is important in many situations in life, especially when confronted by a threat. Humans and animals give off energy or what is known to those trained in martial arts as chi. Animals have a heightened sense of energy awareness than untrained humans. Animals sense fear and act upon it. It would not behoove a person to be fearful if another dog such as a pit bull, american bulldog, or cane corso is walking towards them. It would behoove a person walking their dog to be confident yet peaceful and to also assume the pack leader mentality if the dog walking toward them begins to become aggressive. There are 108 depressions and/or cavities depending on your terminology in the human anatomy to those extensively trained in martial arts. These depressions and/or cavities render your opponent numb or temporarily unconscious to stop the threat and render them defenseless. It is similar in animals.
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The member who posted this text was banned - and the post is depricated.
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[quote=AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog]bracketology, It would not behoove a person to be fearful if another dog such as a pit bull, american bulldog, or cane corso is walking towards them. It would behoove a person walking their dog to be confident yet peaceful and to also assume the pack leader mentality if the dog walking toward them begins to become aggressive. [/quote] My vote for the most irresponcible posts on this forum in 2008!!! All it takes is one disrespectful glance and a dog fight can and many time will happen. Most dog owners that get themselves and thier dogs in harms way are oblivous to these little laspes in canine protocal. Even experienced handlers can miss these signals it they aren't dilgent. NOW, your're telling the gentle readers that the "force" will stop a Pit or a Bulldog, breeds designed to be gamey , from attacking....[color=red]SHAME,SHAME, SHAME ON YOU!!![/color] :P
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bracketology - We can only take reasonable precautions. Self defence or defence of our dogs should be thought of as a last resort. The best waqy to deal with a threat is to NOT get into the situtation in the 1st place. The best weapon you have is your brain. :wink:
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[quote=new2neos] ....I think I'd just better keep carrying a big stick...just in case. ;) ~Pam[/quote] That works too! :)
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[quote=Platz"][quote="AlapahaBlueBloodBulldog]bracketology, It would not behoove a person to be fearful if another dog such as a pit bull, american bulldog, or cane corso is walking towards them. It would behoove a person walking their dog to be confident yet peaceful and to also assume the pack leader mentality if the dog walking toward them begins to become aggressive. [/quote] My vote for the most irresponcible posts on this forum in 2008!!! All it takes is one disrespectful glance and a dog fight can and many time will happen. Most dog owners that get themselves and thier dogs in harms way are oblivous to these little laspes in canine protocal. Even experienced handlers can miss these signals it they aren't dilgent. NOW, your're telling the gentle readers that the "force" will stop a Pit or a Bulldog, breeds designed to be gamey , from attacking....[color=red]SHAME,SHAME, SHAME ON YOU!!![/color] :P[/quote] I'm not sure how you deduced that from my post, friend but after re-reading in its' entirety you may understand where I was going with it and its' meaning.
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