Is there such dog breed ?

I am confused, do you want working drive OR prey drive? I run 17 dogs. All LGD breeds. They all get along. Occasional spat but nothing lasts that long. Intact males and females. Puppies and adults. It can be done just takes work. But my dogs GUARD. They don't have prey drive. Prey drive - if you are talking about hunting dogs? Could it be done? Don't know, because I don't run hunters I run LGDs and they guard. No prey drive. Don't see how you can have both, prey and protection drive, at once in most dogs, but I'm sure someone will set me straight, lol.....
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  • Is there a dog breed that can coexist in a pack (dogs, household animals, live stock) and still have huge potential working drive? I know the gamedogs have the drive but will kill each other. Is there such manifestation in the canine species? I see all these old paintings and drawings and I wonder if it was ever possible to achieve harmony with dogs while maintaining prey drive and protective drive.
    • I am confused, do you want working drive OR prey drive? I run 17 dogs. All LGD breeds. They all get along. Occasional spat but nothing lasts that long. Intact males and females. Puppies and adults. It can be done just takes work. But my dogs GUARD. They don't have prey drive. Prey drive - if you are talking about hunting dogs? Could it be done? Don't know, because I don't run hunters I run LGDs and they guard. No prey drive. Don't see how you can have both, prey and protection drive, at once in most dogs, but I'm sure someone will set me straight, lol.....
      • Although it is a herding breed the australian shepherd will concurrently guard flock and property if the need arises. However, the guarding will be behaviorally different in that at the expense of their own safety they will chase, attack, and then engage a predator if it doesn't run away. It's not the most desired outcome and I am limiting this opinion to real working stock not AKC lines as they are really not the same breed anymore.
        • Yes. Dogo, Corso, Boerboel, Rotts, some AB lines and Alano Espanol all do it quite famously. Happens all the time. Many dogs were and still are kept in this duality. Game dogs can as well. Not all game dogs run hot.
          • Black mouth Curs are driven as the day is long and are obviously run in packs with other curs and bulldogs. Do not over look hounds of all types and herders.
            • Good Bandogs can as well. As long as they don't have rank drive and they all know the human is the boss and infighting is against his rules. They can have all the prey and defense drive you want. That will get them along with each other but high prey dogs have a way of turning livestock into deadstock. The pits in my line of bandogs are all game stock, but dog aggression can be selected against after a few generations. Herding dogs have prey drive but the kill has been bred out of them. They do what a wolf would do, they watch the herd until someone strays then they chase them. It's the herd animals instinct to run to the herd that drives them back then the dog gives up when confronted with the whole herd. Just like a wolf only a wolf will eventually get one far enough away to kill it while a herding dog will just nip. That's the basic herding instinct, modified hunting instinct. That's not something you'll get from a catch or fighting breed. Though with training herding dogs can do much more than that with a herd.
              • I have read about the Dogos and Boerboels from their historical perspective. Are there any kennels or farmers that currently do this? The Alano from what I learned by talking to a breeder from Sweeden who happens to have imported two specimens to NJ told me that they don't do so well with strange dogs and generally speaking it is better to keep together one of each sex. Not saying you guys are wrong but just want to dig in to see if anyone has any footage or photos. I think the LGD dogs seem to be very efficient in the pack mentality but they aren't used for hunting correct?
                • I have seen videos of packs of Alanos working well together with stock. Turning on and off at command for various tasks. Though I would say without a job I bet the heathens would be a handful, as any high drive dog would be. http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/pyrenean-wolf-hounds/ There are several "reference" paintings that suggest the mountain dog as a hunter as well. Many old hunting pack paintings have one or two "furries" in the pack.
                  • Those are hunting dogs in the painting, and hunting dogs usually aren't dog aggressive. I don't understand the question, it's really not a paradox at all for dogs to have strong drives and be capable of cooperating with other dogs.
                    • OK well I didn't understand the question either I guess. I ran Catahoulas in packs when they herded cattle and they hunted bear and lion and deer too so I guess I just answered my own dumb question lol..... (insert sheepish grin here....).
                      • [quote1311042353=davidfitness83] I think the LGD dogs seem to be very efficient in the pack mentality but they aren't used for hunting correct? [/quote1311042353] The more traditional breeds like Pyrs, Maremmas, no not that I was aware of. My guardian dogs have zip prey drive. Oh sure if a bird races across the yard they might chase it but I mean to track down a lion and bay it up, no. Hold it off if it comes to attack goats, yes. I mean when you say hunt I assume pure hunting like they wind/track/trail and go after something I don't mean just a quick chase. No, my LGD's don't hunt.
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