Himalayan Mastiff

yes, very nice pictures there. are the dogs your dogs :?:

[quote=bright]no.. not owned by me.. but they are closely related to my puppy.. thx for your compliments.. :)[/quote] so you breed with their parents? is there some temperament test done, so that you do some steps that distinguish your breeding from show breeders. i say that because a dog has to be selfconfident and a dog that acts scared or cries out loud when it gets bitten should not be taken for breeding, as it will not be totally different if there are sheep around :!: a dog has to be self confident and has to have stable nerves, but you know that. how do you do these tests. i mean when the dogs are not pups anymore :?:

Gaddi dogs.,., Actual giant of Himalayan Range.

that female is gettin aggresive day by day.. today she almost tore my servant's son apart..uhhhhhhh :x

no thts nt the thing.. she seens him daily..buh god knows at came into her mind ..hmmmmmm

Beautiful dog. I really like the type. How established is this breed? 8)

Good luck with your program. Out of curiosity what does your temperament testing consist of. In otherwords what methods do you use to test the temperament of potential breeding stock and what type of temperament are you looking for. Also you wrote above that one puppy is showing some promise how areyou evaluating the pups. As someone who comes from a family that worked and bred working dogs my entire life and being a breeder myself for more than six years I'm curious as to others methods. :wink:

wow - interesting dogs! Very cool! So rare! Congrats, and good luck with your breeding plans! ----

[quote=bright]thanks! established in what sense? .... by the way i forgot to mention! gaddi mastifs are also registered as tibetan mastiffs and even shown by that name.. gaddi mastiffs defeat many tibetan mastiffs in dog shows which get bred for shows too! they have even won CC's when they were competing with dogs bred by saras tibetan mastiffs! saras tibetan mastiffs are often subjected to mockery in punjab.[/quote] Very neat. Sorry, I should have clarified. I was curious about the type in relation to the greater Tibetan population. These dogs seem to have a very specific type in comparison to other Tibetans. I also meant about their population status; about how many are there? Is there a risk of these dogs either being integrated and lost in the TM breed or just disappearing all together? Are you trying to get them separate recognition from the TM to protect them? From what I have seen, I really like these dogs. Very fascinating. :D

Just a quick comparison.... [quote="bright"] [/quote] Hmmmmm..... Can't imagine why I love these dogs so much! Keep up the good work, Bright. I may come knocking on your door soon for a pup.

Very interesting info Bright :wink: And keep the good pictures you showed comming :D

These are nice looking dogs are they clsoeley to the Tibetan Mastiffs? Sure look so to me? Also what is temperament like? Trustworthy with children 7 and up? Thank you Scarlette

So what you would say are the major differences comparing the Gaddi and Tibetan? Thank you Sincerely Scarlette

[quote=bright]yes.. howavarts resembles a few lines of HMs..[/quote] hmm, the question is if desiree meant MHs with her comment, as not all dogs posted above are HMs. :wink:

[quote1238037920=bright] there are a few sylvan pics above! (that snarling dog at the end of the leash! 8) ) [/quote1238037920] i know, that´s why i have mentioned it.;) but it is really interesting what kind of different dogs in terms of phenotype all get labeled as Sylvans. of course there are in many breeds different types of the same breed and we often have breeds where we have a mountain type, a steppe type or a valley type. but when it comes to sylvans, i think we should not just call dogs that look so differently by the same name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and i do not only refer to the lenth of the coat, i also speak about body structure) dogs that are so different in phenotype in most cases also have different character traits and temperament. just compare the dogs above, that have big similarities with certain dogs of the himalaya region, with the Sylvans i post now. i definitely like the short coated Sylvans more, here watch that awesome 7 month old female i have deleted the female Sylvan because of personal reasons ;) if you look at the second pic and the dogs build you can see that if it has the right temperament it also will make a good large game hunter. (and the breed profile here tells that Sylvan were used as both guards and large game hunters)

[quote1238039177=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1238037920=bright] there are a few sylvan pics above! (that snarling dog at the end of the leash! 8) ) [/quote1238037920] i know, that´s why i have mentioned it.;) but it is really interesting what kind of different dogs in terms of phenotype all get labeled as Sylvans. of course there are in many breeds different types of the same breed and we often have breeds where we have a mountain type, a steppe type or a valley type. but when it comes to sylvans, i think we should not just call dogs that look so differently by the same name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and i do not only refer to the lenth of the coat, i also speak about body structure) dogs that are so different in phenotype in most cases also have different character traits and temperament. just compare the dogs above, that have big similarities with certain dogs of the himalaya region, with the Sylvans i post now. i definitely like the short coated Sylvans more, here watch that awesome 7 month old female i have deleted the pis of the female because of personal reasons ;) if you look at the second pic and the dogs build you can see that if it has the right temperament it also will make a good large game hunter. (and the breed profile here tells that Sylvan were used as both guards and large game hunters) [/quote1238039177]

thats a beast

[quote1238073856=wookiebush] thats a beast [/quote1238073856] i agree with you, its really a beast8)but i cannot see it resembling a HM or TM, of course it also has black and tan colour, but i see so many differences, that i really can say there are much more differences than similarities. i don´t think i would mix up a shaved TM with the two sylvans i have posted. for example the first one could be a typical large game hunter in terms of build, while most TMs have the typical build of mountain dogs and are square in build and also have different hind legs than the male dog with my "signature" i have posted.;) i love the look in the eyes of the young female.

[quote1238618321=bright] [quote1238517907=PUGNACES-BRITANNIAE-AK] [quote1238037920=bright] there are a few sylvan pics above! (that snarling dog at the end of the leash! 8) ) [/quote1238037920] i know, that´s why i have mentioned it.;) but it is really interesting what kind of different dogs in terms of phenotype all get labeled as Sylvans. of course there are in many breeds different types of the same breed and we often have breeds where we have a mountain type, a steppe type or a valley type. but when it comes to sylvans, i think we should not just call dogs that look so differently by the same name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and i do not only refer to the lenth of the coat, i also speak about body structure) dogs that are so different in phenotype in most cases also have different character traits and temperament. just compare the dogs above, that have big similarities with certain dogs of the himalaya region, with the Sylvans i post now. i definitely like the short coated Sylvans more, here watch that awesome 7 month old female i have deleted the female Sylvan because of personal reasons ;) if you look at the second pic and the dogs build you can see that if it has the right temperament it also will make a good large game hunter. (and the breed profile here tells that Sylvan were used as both guards and large game hunters) [/quote1238517907] well, first let us all know the following things as you seem to have done quite a research regarding this breed. what is a sylvan? (we are used to all these paragraphs on websites.. those things have not been able to clear our doubt.) you say that not all dogs should be 'labeled' as sylvans. this statement shows that you have a very clear idea about what a sylvan is.. how do you define a proper sylvan? and i say that the short coated dog in your pic appears to have been labeled as sylvan.. so, how do you prove its authenticity? and you are referring to the long coated dog and saying that it is 'labeled' as a sylvan.. what made you say so? any facts which can support your assertion and enlighten us as to what the breed actually is and should be like? and about character differing with the phenotype or in layman's words, 'built and structure and looks', i don't think so.. since you made a general statement here, i can show you many like looking HMs with different temperaments. and at the same time, i can show you two structurally differing HMs having similar characteristics and temperament! and you further say that dogs that look SO differently are referred to as sylvan.. but let us know which one is authentic and tell us why and how it is authentic and another one is something else? i could say that the one in the pic is otherwise than what traditional sylvan was.. you said 'just compare the dogs above, that have big similarities with certain dogs of the himalaya region, with the Sylvans i post now.' yes! i compared... these dogs look different, but shows its ancestry up to a reasonable degree. whose progenitor is whom? could you prove that these short coated dogs which are called sylvans are the progenitors of the long coated type which, to my eyes look more authentic? or could it be the other way round? analyzing these things and calling one type as -something which is labeled as sylvan- without putting forth necessary proof to support you assertion creates ambiguity.. based on lil of what i know, i won;t comment on this breed.. as i have never seen one or done any meaningful research in this regard.. so, you enlighten us.. kindly clarify our doubts.. i'm sure many others will have similar doubts.. [/quote1238618321] there are way better people here to explain things about Sylvans. but you can believe me that the coated dog which i have deleted and you told it is not "black and tan" but black and rust was a pure Sylvan! i know it had clearly a different phenotype, but my source seems really to be realiable. but one thing i am sure about, you cannot have such different traits in one breed like a curled tail and straight tail. i have seen dogs labeled as pure sylvans with tails curled like the tails of Kangals, while other dogs have straight tails. as my source showed me shortcoated sylvans without curled tails and i believe him to tell the truth, as he has to do with the breed for a long time the long coated one with curled tails cannot be pure Sylvans. still that doesn´t mean that there are no long coated Sylvans and i hav enever told that, but i say if dogs with a straight tail are pure Sylvans, the dogs with the curled tails an di only see that in so called "long coated Sylvans" cannot be pure Sylvans. ;) what do you think about it*-)

[quote1238634074=bright] i say that the short coated dog in your pic appears to have been labeled as sylvan.. so, how do you prove its authenticity? ! could you prove that these short coated dogs which are called sylvans are the progenitors of the long coated type which, to my eyes look more authentic? [/quote1238634074] i cannot prove anything and i don´t intend to say that long coated Sylvans are no pure Sylvans as there is both a mountain type (long coated) and the valley type, but i have seen dogs being labeled as long coated Sylvans and they had a curled tail while i have seen long coated with straight tail and the dogs of valley type i have seen had always a straight tail, if the tail was uncropped! in my opinion you cannot have both traits within the same breed, so it tells me that the long coated dog i have seen that had a curled tail must be unpure (for example Sylvan x Sarplaniac) ok, you had doubts about the short coated Sylvans and you told that the long coated dogs look more authentic in your opinion. why do they look more authentic in your opinion and what do you think about the following picture of short coated Sylvan *-) do the dogs look authentic in your opinion? like pure Sylvans (?)

[quote1240272131=bright] there are some short coated sylvans that'll often arouse a strong suspect about its purity.. especially the one which you had posted in 'guess the breed' topic. [/quote1240272131] yes, that´s right i agree with you. still the best looking sylvan so far is the one in my avator in my opinion. the dog has a great build, he is called kubura and is a famous example of the breed. what´s your opinion about the two pups here?

Bright is clearly "not so bright". I would be most interested to hear the facts he has to back up his remarks. First - the breed and its subvarieties are known as Tibetan Mastiff or Himalayan Sheepdog or Ghaddi. There is no breed known as a Himalayan Mastiff. Saras Tibetan Mastiffs are internationally known - this guy is NOT a resource on this breed.

[quote1273365908=DOKHYI] Bright is clearly "not so bright". I would be most interested to hear the facts he has to back up his remarks. First - the breed and its subvarieties are known as Tibetan Mastiff or Himalayan Sheepdog or Ghaddi. There is no breed known as a Himalayan Mastiff. Saras Tibetan Mastiffs are internationally known - this guy is NOT a resource on this breed. [/quote1273365908] Lol, he always said that the Tibetan Mastiff was a subvariety of the dog he calls Himalayan Mastiff.