I am trying to understand why bandog breeders select Neo in their programs. I know everyone has their opinion on neos whether it's bad or good to use them in the mix. However, I see a huge trend of the neoxab crosses, are neos rank driven like Rotties? In another note, why are Rotties rank driven? In general are Mastiff dogs rank driven? I don't see how people claim that a rottie is a rank driven yet a big Tosa or EM isn't.
The Rottie can be very rank driven I had 3 gen for 16 years but many dogs are if given the chance the Rottie probably more than most but the pets and show dogs can be like labs. The larger mastiffs are usually bred soft for easier safer handling most people don't have the nerve or backbone to deal with a rank driven dog that out weights them. I don't think the neo is used that much due to health issues but they bring size.
I think the rank driven dogs would have more backbone in a fight than a dog very submissive with there family because they don;t submit but balance is best to much rank may also be an insecurity.
Rottweilers are very rank driven and emotionally based dogs. Most police and military don't use them any more due to these issues.
If you think about it logically, how much sense would it make to have a dog like a 200 lb EM or 150lb NM with serious rank drives or protective instincts intact anymore, especially in this day and age of any Joe Blow up the block getting one because they were cute little squishy puppy baby fur children.
On a side note, as to the OP's post with the neo/ab, those can be rank driven due to the AB, not really the Neo, due to all the outside blood in the AB. There is a theory that I happen to buy into, that it is the Game APBT in the AB that is creating the issues seen in the breed today, like nervousness, extreme dog aggression, shyness around people etc...
Thank you for the responses I apreciate the feedback. I am getting around to learning about these concepts lol so is it fair to say that the Cane Corso could be very rank driven since they are supossed to have Rottie blood at least on the American type?
Sorry got busy yesterday...lol...
yes, Rott's are rank driven and emotional. But personally I think this is most common to day, then in the past. Due to breeding techniques.
Neo's are not either of the above.
For example, I have two males in house. One male (Non-neo) is always trying to start something with Eragon. Not to mention take his girl. (Like A soap opera in my backyard-lol)
Eragon does Not even pay attention to the other male (Male constantly flexing his muscles at him), or females squabbles. Unless I'm involved. He will rarely play with the other dogs, Unless I'm playing. But will work, run for miles and will grab hold of another dog in pack if I'm involved and hurt (Proven).
Same with females, except they like to fight....lol....Enjoy it. So I have to watch them. But again nothing to do with rank.
Hope this helps!
Imo-Neo's are used because THEY DO bring alot to the table.
Neo's (For a mastiff) are intelligent, and (I've found) naturaly defensive, not too mention dog aggressive And human aggressive. Another note that is worth saying is Neo's crave a job, they thrive actually when used for something....Most seem to forget that the breed was created TO WORK.
"not too mention dog aggressive And human aggressive. "
I didn't understand this, you said they are dog agressive and human agressive right?
Is it safe to say that Neo's thrive on finding a job and that their dominance is more of deffensive drive when they or their leader is threatned? As opossed to be completely rank driven and being dominant at all times regardless of who it is?
You understand pit's were originally bred to be Dog agressive correct?
This is just a different breed bred for different reason so...
Neo's are both.
Yes. that is a safe thought...Although (Monkey Wrench) now it has to be taken a step further, since typically with Neo's it also depends on the lines.
I come from the APBT crowd so I know exactly everything about their instincts and predispositions lol well not everything but you know what I mean :) I am concerned about learning about the mastiff dogs now lol
The DA in Neos, was it introduced as a desirable trait to be used in the pit? Or was it bred into since the dog was to protect the property from men or beast?
That is why I used the pit as an example-lol
Neapolitan Mastiffs were used for multiple jobs, dog fighting was one of them. Which was one of the reasons for loose skin. This breed was supposed to be versatile.
I've had this explained to me as "german temperament vs english temperament", maybe someone can expand on that. I know the neo isn't english but the distinction came about before anything other than english and german breeds were around, and today neos would definitely be considered to have the "english temperament".
Anyway it's apparently no mistake the rottweiler is like it is, it has it's benefits and actually makes it easier to train with traditional methods, but yeah it would seem dogs with the english temperament are definitely easier to live with.
The English historically do not like a rank dogs and select against it. Many still are not fond of bull breeds doing bite work. Many believe that a dog should never see itself on the same "playing field" as a human.
Germans classically like a dog that feels it is equal to man. This does not necessarily mean that they are overtly aggressive, just less naturally submissive. Some often describe it as you have to earn their respect. When you have it, you have a remarkable dog. Old school GSDs are the same way. I have run into Boxers and other "German" breeds that are classically this way as well. Many admired breeds in Eastern Europe tend to have this type of disposition. It is very useful and potentially problematic as well. You can use more "traditional" methods (with some examples it is more suited), but I feel with dogs like this, it just "teaches" the dog that force should be met with force. This is where redirection can become a problem. When mentally matched, and offered leadership these dogs are remarkable. The undying respect they show is like no other.
To expound on this even more, I often refer to an "Asian" temperament as well. Most CHow/Sptiz/TM/ type dogs from the far East have similar temperaments. I lovingly refer to them as "grouchy" lol.
A Neo is not naturally this rank, but it is possible in some individuals. They do tend to be more opportunistically dominant with humans. In the wrong home or in a misunderstood home, they will easily take control. Most of this is from their use, but also the amount of EM and other "English" dog in modern examples and the active selection for "softer" dogs has left its mark on the breed.
In terms of rank drive towards people within a pack. Male Rottweilers tend to be very rank driven.
Female Rottweilers less so.
Neapolitans, some are, but most are not. Most are submissive to their pack...but there are some that are indeed testy.
I don't recall ever encountering a rank driven EM.
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